sek69 Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 So are we now saying he isn't being pushed down everyone's throats now because he's having good matches? That sounds just as dumb as the silly marks everyone's rushing to make fun of now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveJRogers Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 So are we now saying he isn't being pushed down everyone's throats now because he's having good matches? That sounds just as dumb as the silly marks everyone's rushing to make fun of now. No one is saying that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 The last couple of pages were filled with people saying that fans booing Roman are dummies trying to look cool, and literally the only thing that has changed is he was programmed with one of the best in ring guys in the business. Yes, he's holding up his end of the deal much better than he had been, but he's being rejected so soundly as the top guy that teaming with him essentially turned the Usos heel. Â How many times is he going to get laid out to thunderous ovations before the message gets through? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 My beef isn't with people booing Roman or whatever. I was talking about "YOU STILL SUCK" chants specifically. They always make me laugh - whether they're aimed at Cena, Roman or whoever else - because they're so ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 He's been more than holding up his end of the deal pretty much the whole time. Fans are so stuck on the 2015 Royal Rumble that they can't move past it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotJayTabb Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 It'll be interesting to see at the end of the year how the Roman matches compare with other matches Styles will have in the next 6 months. For all the talk about Roman "holding up his end" of matches, Brock and the Big Show didn't have better matches with anyone else in 2015, and Reigns has had much better matches with AJ than Jericho did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 That's kind of a bad comparison because Jericho is terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotJayTabb Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 Fully agree, that's why it'll be interesting to see how the Roman matches compare when AJ gets to feud with another good/great wrestler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 I'm not big on Reigns but I would say he's in the top third of the roster work wise. I think there's an argument to be made that Jericho is a bottom 10 worker on their roster right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fando Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 Even though they were off because it looked like he couldn't go at the same pace, those AJ matches with Jericho were the best Jericho matches since he returned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Sleeze Posted May 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 He's been more than holding up his end of the deal pretty much the whole time. Fans are so stuck on the 2015 Royal Rumble that they can't move past it. Loss is right except for in the middle of the summer he was programmed with the blackhole of suck the Wyatt's so people forgot about the Bryan, Lesnar and Big Show matches. By end of 2015, the Sheamus matches were great saw TLC live and that was awesome. The triple threat at Feb PPV was friggin bitchin. The HHH match I need to watch again because after 6 hours I was exhausted. The AJ matches are incredible. Badda bing badda boom Reigns is the realest guy in the room, how you doin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet-Left Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 "You can't wrestle!" Â What an awful crowd. It really took away from my enjoyment of the main event (which was stellar), to hear the crowd keep jerking themselves off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cross Face Chicken Wing Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 Roman/AJ was absolutely outstanding. Both guys deserve a ton of credit for having a great match. Â But can I nitpick something? When AJ was beating the tar out of everyone with the chair, was it really necessary to go to the stupid bouncy/zoom in-zoom back out right away camera trick? Here's Styles -- a guy getting his shot on the big stage and desperately doing whatever he has to do to win -- going absolutely bonkers with a chair, and instead of locking in on a steady shot to let the carnage and Styles' will to win sink in w/ the viewer, the camera work is giving everyone a seizure and making the moment seem like a silly trick. Â It didn't ruin the match or anything, but it's stupid shit like that that bothers me about modern WWE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 I was more offended by the unnecessary jump cut on the missed spear through the barricade which resulted in not being able to see what the fuck happened until they showed a clear replay. I hate that, but yeah the corny zoom ins on repeated blows are annoying as fuck too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cross Face Chicken Wing Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 I compare the WWE's camera work to a middle-aged white dude putting together a PowerPoint and being really proud of the cool ClipArt he found to jazz up the presentation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 Don't forget the motion sickness they cause when Cesaro does the giant swing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 The worst camera thing is every replay that starts in slow motion and then on the impact speeds way the fuck up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 Even though I don't agree with it, I don't have any issue with the crowd chants or response to Reigns. Its a challenge for bookers and performers to work around. They've adjusted pretty well thus far by ending the pandering babyface role and having come down the aisles and go with the tweener "the guy" act. At the end of the day what matters is whether and how it moves/maintains numbers. Â If the crowd treated him and his matches like Jericho/Ambrose there'd be a huge problem. Engagement is engagement and they've got something to work with even if its not what they originally planned for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 The worst camera thing is every replay that starts in slow motion and then on the impact speeds way the fuck up. Â I think those replays make Styles' offense in particular look really tremendous. You can't pull off that kind of shot with everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 Styles lost three of the last four WWE PPV matches he's been in (not counting the Royal Rumble) and three in a row. For all of the "well, it's an honor he's main eventing at all so soon" sentiment I'm sure is going around, it's the typical Rob Van Dam/Booker T/Chris Benoit push that led to them being cast as glorified midcarders who got an occasional taste at the top to keep the belt warm for the "real" stars and never became effective draws themselves because they were so constantly neutered. Â Don't get me wrong: his matches were Reigns were still damn fun (the less said about the Jericho snoozefest or hokey Y2AJ team the better), but it doesn't change the reality of where AJ really stands. Â For all of the hype about Anderson, Gallows, and the Bullet Club, nothing actually happened. No Finn Balor, no stable formation, no real developments of any kind. Sure, the build was entertaining enough, but the payoff - as always - ended with a whimper. And the worst part is, I called it from the very beginning. I knew everyone else's wild expectations were unrealistic. Â Just to be clear, I knew AJ wasn't winning last night. I knew he wasn't winning at the PPV before that. So I'm not surprised or upset or offended or anything like that. They're all in on the Reigns push, for better or worse, and that's fine. I'm just resigned to it. I feel for Reigns, who usually has good matches, but nothing he does with his character is working or has ever worked. Â I hope AJ wins Money in the Bank. That would at least let his fans know that he's still in the mix and there's something to look forward to in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 The last couple of pages were filled with people saying that fans booing Roman are dummies trying to look cool, and literally the only thing that has changed is he was programmed with one of the best in ring guys in the business. Yes, he's holding up his end of the deal much better than he had been, but he's being rejected so soundly as the top guy that teaming with him essentially turned the Usos heel. Â How many times is he going to get laid out to thunderous ovations before the message gets through? Why in the world should the WWE listen to fans that are so stupid they chant "You can't wrestle" at a guy having an incredible year instead of someone who actually DOES suck like Chris Jericho? (or Dean Ambrose for that matter)Â Â Â He's been more than holding up his end of the deal pretty much the whole time. Fans are so stuck on the 2015 Royal Rumble that they can't move past it. Loss is right except for in the middle of the summer he was programmed with the blackhole of suck the Wyatt's so people forgot about the Bryan, Lesnar and Big Show matches. By end of 2015, the Sheamus matches were great saw TLC live and that was awesome. The triple threat at Feb PPV was friggin bitchin. The HHH match I need to watch again because after 6 hours I was exhausted. The AJ matches are incredible. Badda bing badda boom Reigns is the realest guy in the room, how you doin? Â Â And yea that TLC match is one of the most brutal matches in WWE history and just WAY better than it gets credit for because people were too caught up being butt hurt about it being Reigns & Sheamus in the main event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Migs Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 Â The last couple of pages were filled with people saying that fans booing Roman are dummies trying to look cool, and literally the only thing that has changed is he was programmed with one of the best in ring guys in the business. Yes, he's holding up his end of the deal much better than he had been, but he's being rejected so soundly as the top guy that teaming with him essentially turned the Usos heel. Â How many times is he going to get laid out to thunderous ovations before the message gets through? Why in the world should the WWE listen to fans that are so stupid they chant "You can't wrestle" at a guy having an incredible year instead of someone who actually DOES suck like Chris Jericho? (or Dean Ambrose for that matter)Â Â Â Â Because the fact that a few fans on the internet enjoy someone's work doesn't mean that the fans in the building don't have a right to taunt Reigns. If you think their chants are bullshit, that's fine, but people can dislike Reigns for whatever reason they want. And they do. Â The notion that Reigns has become some amazing worker because he willingly took a beating from Sheamus and looked good in a gimmick three way in February is a little overblown, and consciously contrarian. He's spent the last two months in the ring with a guy who was arguably the wrestler of the year both of the past two years and has been having high level matches with a variety of opponents all over the world. If he couldn't have a good match with Styles, he'd be a legitimately terrible worker, which he's not. He's perfectly acceptable and does the WWE Main Event Style well enough. That would probably be fine with most fans if the booking for him hadn't been dog shit until about a month ago. But hey, it was. The way he was booked at this Rumble, supposedly a big moment for him, was so unconscionably bad if they wanted fans to get behind him. Â The idea of him being more of a tweener, and certainly not pandering, seems to be helping. But the two years of bad booking have left a really bad taste in my mouth. I couldn't get around to seeing the PPV until after midnight last night, and I skipped the main event because it was too late and I was too tired to be annoyed by a Reigns win. I've got a visceral negative reaction to the guy, and I'm clearly not alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 I don't care if people boo him but chanting "You Can't Wrestle" at a guy who has been probably the best PPV performer going back to the Brock match at last year's Mania is really stupid. Â And the idea that "he's not over" when he gets the loudest reactions at every single show he is on is blatantly false. Who cares if he's not getting cheered when he's still a big merchandise seller? He's a heel to the "OMG WWE is the worst (but let me keep giving them a bunch of money)" crowd and gets cheers from kids/women and people who buy tickets to house shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 It may be stupid, but its the company's job to work with the audience and ideally manipulate them. No different than at any other point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 It may be stupid, but its the company's job to work with the audience and ideally manipulate them. No different than at any other point. And they have by changing his presentation since WrestleMania. What else are they supposed to do? Just fire a guy who is a top merchandise seller and gets the loudest reactions on every show, regardless of if it's the reaction they "want" him to get? I wouldn't change course with him either. Keep presenting him as a tweener the way they are now. Â I'm not sure how you could look at them pairing him against smark darlings like AJ & Rollins as anything BUT manipulating the crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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