Laz Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 Hey, Russo still has somewhat of a career out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Faulconer Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 I found a video with Vince Russo talking with Will Ospreay today on youtube. Russo was blowing a lot of smoke up Ospreay's arse - as they say. Even though Ospreay is one of my favourites this year I had to cut the video after about a minute of Russo blabbing his favourite wrestling buzzwords towards Ospreay. If I have learned anything from the lukewarm controversy around the match it is that 99% of wrestling fans don't know what any of wrestling's language means. I saw several seemingly honest opinions on the match on youtube from people who are wrestling fans exposed to something different. I saw many more examples of the next Mark Madden in training spewing forth insider terms that they probably read on a copy of a copy of wherever Scott Keith collected the information for the RSPW pro wrestling FAQ...if that. The anger that some posters had about this topic was rather scary to see/hear/read online. If they really want to know what "killed" the wrestling business they should probably look in the mirror....or really just the Attitude Era. They had all those hardcore or ladder matches. They had all those broken necks and wrestler after wrestler dying. Not that I think the business is dying. So many wrestlers with undiagnosed or ignored head trauma. It just got concussion after concussion and should have changed up their style to preserve the business as it is. Oh yeah...I guess the lack of competition for WWE is probably the real culprit. D'oh! We should blame it on the flips and dives. It makes for a more generational scapegoat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 Vader unleashed a series of increasingly unhinged tweets toward Ospreay. Ospreay responded by acting like he was cosplaying The Young Bucks at a comic convention. In other words, being a smug douche. Kinda warranted in this case though, as Vader brings on the cray-der. I'm sure this will end with Vader proclaiming, "I'm just working an angle, brother." http://wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2016/0617/612759/will-ospreay-involved-in-twitter-fight-with-pro-wrestling-legend/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 Old man or not, I'm still pretty sure Vader could kick Osprey's ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 First and foremost, ugh... all this whole non-story needed was an intergenerational twitter battle to make me REALLY not care. I do think some indy promoter HAS to put this match on sometime soon. That said, my money i son the old man in a real fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 I do think some indy promoter HAS to put this match on sometime soon. That's my thought too. It's become too big a story for someone not to cash in on it. Assuming of course that some clever promoter can talk Vader and Ospreay into doing proper business, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 Is this turning into Kevin Nash vs Carl Oulette "Let's have a shootfight" indy match bullshit ? Damn, I love pro-wrestling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 I found a video with Vince Russo talking with Will Ospreay today on youtube. It's hard to imagine watching anything wrestling-related more unappealing than that. Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NitroFan Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 Lemme tell ya bro, I'm actually kind of interested in what Russo said. On Austins podcast last Tuesday he praised their athletic abilities but said the match wasnt even pro wrestling and was an 'exhibition'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 I do think some indy promoter HAS to put this match on sometime soon. That's my thought too. It's become too big a story for someone not to cash in on it. Assuming of course that some clever promoter can talk Vader and Ospreay into doing proper business, of course. I don't even think it would be that hard. I obviously don't know either, but it strikes me that it would be great for the budding Osprey brand and Vader would love to get high-ish profile match. Plus, it doesn't take a rocket scientist (which neither is) to figure out they could probably have a really fun little match, at least more fun than it probably has any business being. Even without the hype, I'd want to watch that. But yeah, its only good as an wrestling match (with maybe a few work-shoot moments). Anything else would be a nightmare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 The problem is that 99% of indy promoters really aren't good enough to book it. First of all you've got to have the money; most independent promotions don't even have the cash to bring in Ospreay, let alone Vader. Wherever you book it, you've got to pay for at least one really expensive plane ticket, maybe two of them. Then you've got to work out both guys' schedules and find a time which is open for Vader, for Ospreay, and for the building that you're promoting. And unless you've got the smarkiest audience on the planet, it's probable that the crowd won't care about the whole thing unless one of the guys is already a regular veteran of the promotion. And even assuming all that is do-able, THEN you have to talk both guys into putting their bruised egos away and doing proper business. And since logic would dictate that "proper business" means "Ospreay goes over" considering that Vader almost certainly won't be returning to wherever this happens, good fuckin' luck getting THAT to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 yeah, the list is very short. I don't assume that it would be hard to get Vader to put Osprey over, but if he really is upset about this he might. I don't know, maybe Vader would have trouble doing it anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 A glance at his Cagematch match list suggests that he ain't exactly fond of laying down. He doesn't have a recorded pinfall loss in the past ten years. And the few Vader matches I've seen in the last few years have all featured Leon squashing the shit out of whoever his opponent was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Ah... I suppose that shouldn't surprise me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkdoc Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Is this turning into Kevin Nash vs Carl Oulette "Let's have a shootfight" indy match bullshit ? Damn, I love pro-wrestling. don't forget Nash & Ricky Morton building an indie match from shoot interviews too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted June 26, 2016 Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 Revolution Pro Wrestling has booked Vader vs. Will Ospreay for August 12th, 2016 at York Hall. What did I say about people getting worked by Ospreay's "shoot" comments at their last York Hall show? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Posted June 26, 2016 Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 Vader is 61 years old. When Gorilla Monsoon fought him on Monday Night Raw, Monsoon was 58. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted August 13, 2016 Report Share Posted August 13, 2016 Looks like Vader beat Will Ospreay. Really hope this is leading to a rematch and series. Otherwise, wow, what a pointless result. http://www.sescoops.com/vader-vs-will-ospreay-results-rpw-uprising-2016/ Won't affect Ospreay's career one bit, but still, what does it do for the barely-active part-time Vader? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted August 13, 2016 Report Share Posted August 13, 2016 It let him get a worked win so he didn't have to kick Ospreay's ass in a real fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 13, 2016 Report Share Posted August 13, 2016 Drew a house? Got both guys a payday? Got a little guy to look strong against a monster and former world champion even in losing? Showed that he's willing to do business despite his big mouth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted August 13, 2016 Report Share Posted August 13, 2016 That just sounds like Hunter and his "50/50 booking is fine, we put WrestleMania in a stadium, who else can touch us?" rhetoric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBscout Posted August 13, 2016 Report Share Posted August 13, 2016 They will probably laugh about it and say who cares it's fake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...TG Posted August 13, 2016 Report Share Posted August 13, 2016 I'm having a hard time getting all the outrage over this result, both here and on Twitter. Let's say a lot of the speculation is true, and Vader refused to do "business" and put over Ospreay when he got to the show. It's Vader, and if that's his rep, what did they expect? Why put him on the show? And how does this hurt Ospreay in the long run? When you bring in a big-time heel, you put him over and there's more anticipation for a rematch. Seems like booking 101. Note that I have zero investment in the promotion, Ospreay, Vader, or this current "feud", so it's possible I'm missing something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laz Posted August 13, 2016 Report Share Posted August 13, 2016 I don't get it, either. Young rookie was beaten by a veteran and former World champion who's twice his size. Ospreay isn't hurt because if you're a fan of his you don't care, a veteran gets a decent payday, and it's likely been a work from very early on (meaning the build). I wouldn't mind seeing the match, either, because I want to see how Ospreay bumped for him. If he did even half as well as I think he should've (having seen him play the pinball for bigger guys before) then it's another feather in his cap for versatility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewar Posted August 13, 2016 Report Share Posted August 13, 2016 They used the match to build an angle for a future Ospreay match. Vader didn't beat him clean, and it got a bunch of extra eyes on the promotion. Seems like it's almost perfectly booked, and people about Ospreay losing just want to complain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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