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[The Thread Killer]

17 minutes ago, El-P said:

While I'm at it, please can I get Mercedes Moné vs Jaimie Hayter at Wembley ? Thanks in advance.

I would certainly hope, and I have enough confidence in Tony Khan to assume, that he is going to take full advantage of the relationships he has formed with companies like NJPW and AAA to pull out all the stops. AEW loves to throw around the term “Dream Match.” If he is ever actually going to book some, that sure would be the time.

[Dale Wolfe]

8 hours ago, El-P said:

 (which won't sell out and OMG AEW is dead lolz they can't make a Dome show like WWE Mania was much bigger lol, yeah, ya know all of this is gonna happen anyway and the goal post moving and bad faith is gonna be ridiculous whatever number they do)

 

I know you're taking the piss but my point is that Wembley's capacity is 90k without the floor/pitch so if you get 35-40k in there it is going to feel fucking empty. I went to coventry exeter in 2018, it was close to 50k apparently and there were spaces everywhere. As a spectacle if aew are in the same boat it won't look great. WWE wouldn't fill it either, no promotion is hot enough in Europe really; maybe UFC with a red hot card. And that's a big if

Id like to be proven wrong but if you need to put the lights out on a stadium then what's the point 

[Dale Wolfe]

Regards Punk & Omega being close to done, i dunno, i think both of them could adapt their style and easily extend the career by going shithouse heel and limiting the impact moves. 

I really dislike Kenny but he's fucking talented and could easily pull back on the high impact style and keep his presence 

After the last 6-9 months if Punk came back playing heel he could easily stooge and stall like Zybysko for weeks on end and keep his heat. If he stalled on PPV v Elite it would be nuclear when they got their hands on them if played right 

[KawadaSmile]

I actually like Omega more when he's not going at a fucking 100 kilometers per hour. I mean, he does have great fucking punches, he can easily adapt his game should he need it. And with Punk being himself, aka a smarmy fuck, it's easy heat. 

Besides, I don't even think Punk and Omega have that much beef, so it's not like they couldn't do business like two grown men. Phil seems to hate the YB and Hangman much more. 

[El-P]

10 minutes ago, Dale Wolfe said:

I know you're taking the piss but my point is that Wembley's capacity is 90k without the floor/pitch so if you get 35-40k in there it is going to feel fucking empty.

I really wasn't referring to what you were saying specifically, but rather the inevitable bad faith and goal post moving that's gonna happen, whatever number they end up doing.

Pro-wrestling has a long history of very large crowds in half-empty stadiums considered as big time success (because they were financially speaking and in term of presenting something that looks big). 

I just hope they get pointers from the NOAH Dome show as opposed to WWE's presentation (which is out of reach anyway in term of cost, most probably).

[Dale Wolfe]

I know, I'm not taking it personally and tbh i get your point, but there is a strong chance they do this and it looks fucking terrible

I hope it isn't the case but i just struggle to see it 

[El-P]

5 minutes ago, Dale Wolfe said:

I know, I'm not taking it personally and tbh i get your point, but there is a strong chance they do this and it looks fucking terrible

I mean, it better not look like some of those mid-00's January 4th NJPW Dome show for sure, those were really sad to watch. I'm pretty confident it won't about though. Well, I hope.

[Dale Wolfe]

Meltzer definitely being fed a huge pile of shit about this from somewhere 

 

But if Punk is definitely coming back there is a huge fucking angle there if they manage to get it right 

[strobogo]

All the passive aggressive whiny ass subtweeting type shit should be grounds for instant termination.

[C.S.]

I'm completely over Jericho and his attention-seeking "look at me!" bullshit.

1. Punk is a far bigger star than Jericho is or ever will be.

2. We saw Jericho vs. Punk already. At WrestleMania. Ten years ago. No one wants to see it again now when they're older and slower.

[C.S.]

Deleted tweet. Probably a work at this point, but if not, who is this nobody to say anything about anyone?

[KawadaSmile]

For fuck's sake man, Mox really did describe it best when he said it was the most drama-filled locker room he was in. 

[El-P]

Like I said before... 

Meanwhile, I just witnessed Katsuyori Shibata punch JD Drake in the face. Yeah, that's right. That's the WCW spirit of old. Or maybe, WAR. What's not to love ? Back in my days (here I go talking like the soon 50 years old asshole I'm soon gonna be, well "hopefully") Shibata punching JD Drake in the face would have been a highlight of some reviews that would have made me wanna buy some tape for 25$, then wait 6 weeks for it to get there. Now I get to see it almost as it happens. SHIBATA ! Punching JD Drake in the face. In 2023. In some secondary US promotion. But hey, who cares, TWITTER DRAMA ! 

Yeah, Mox is so right, on SO MANY LEVELS~.

[Jmare007]

5 hours ago, Dale Wolfe said:

Meltzer definitely being fed a huge pile of shit about this from somewhere 

 

But if Punk is definitely coming back there is a huge fucking angle there if they manage to get it right 

 

It's wild to me that now, this isn't about Punk coming back, but him trying to make other side look unprofessional. But when he was fed all the details about how unprofessional Punk was, that was the real news and not a peep about the "real intentions" of what his sources were telling him  

[rovert]

There's a lot of noise and who to believe currently. Headspinning.

But the work a day roster and maybe more importantly the production, office, logistics (ring trucks) who have families and obligations are incredibly loyal to the Bucks as they started it all. 

[Champagne]

6 hours ago, Jmare007 said:

It's wild to me that now, this isn't about Punk coming back, but him trying to make other side look unprofessional. But when he was fed all the details about how unprofessional Punk was, that was the real news and not a peep about the "real intentions" of what his sources were telling him  

IMO Dave's biggest fault is believing his sources are telling him the truth without spin, and reporting it as such. It's led to a lot of one-sided narratives over the years; the Punk vs. Elite and Jericho drama being the latest.

[NintendoLogic]

It's amazing how many of you seem to think Dave just unthinkingly regurgitates whatever one of his sources tells him without doing any kind of due diligence. And I thought we all agreed not to post that MSW clown here.

Setting that aside, why would people be skeptical of Punk pulling a power play when he already delivered an unscripted receipt on live TV? Of course, it could simply be a case of Dax going into business for himself. FTR have an obvious vested interest in building anticipation for a Punk/Elite feud since it would put them right in the middle of the hottest angle in years. As for the Elite, it would be understandable if they didn't trust Punk with their bodies. But if it was just a case of putting personal feelings over business, that would be disappointing.

[Champagne]

There are 400 episodes of Between the Sheets highlighting how little due diligence Dave does when "reporting" on the activites of his sources. 

https://redcircle.com/shows/between-the-sheets

[Strummer]

Criticizing Dave is fine and all but yeah Meltzer said What is a total creep.

[Timbo Slice]

In their entire career, the Bucks have been extremely careful to only really put themselves in positions where they are in the goodwill of everyone around them, but they’ve also done it in ways that don’t really match up with the perception they’re trying to put forward. They also play the “underdog” or the “folks shouldn’t doubt us” role to a tiresome degree. While you can’t take away the success they’ve earned, they aren’t above criticism. 
 

I’m not saying it in deference to how Punk handled the situation, but they’re management and they really only act like it when it’s beneficial to themselves. The comment about loyalty to them is telling; they’d rather play that card than avoid discomfort even if that discomfort leads to a better bit of business because it’s not on THEIR terms. Criticize Punk all you want, but his only issue was being a petty curmudgeon, whereas the Bucks are more than happy to create what seems to be an immature, short-sighted environment in the locker room, leaving it open to folks to glob on and let the drama spread. Work or shoot, the only way forward is for all parties to talk like adults, and even if it is PR, the Bucks are surprisingly quiet on their end right now. 

[Embrodak]

Tony Khan is the real problem, it must be said. Say what you will about the abusive or manipulative environment of any locker room in the past, this kind of pissy factional bullshit is something that bookers and promoters with real experience in The Business clamp down on fairly quickly. As ever, the looseness and fluidity of modernity reveals why the shitty practices of the past developed as they did.

[Timbo Slice]

Not only that, but that dude has experience with TWO professional teams. Good lord, take some of that with you into the locker room just a bit. 

[MoS]

All those deleted tweets were in reference to this Deadspin article - 

https://deadspin.com/cm-punk-aew-wrestling-young-bucks-kenny-omega-ftr-leaks-1850336362

 

[sek69]

I kind of get where Dave is coming from, where FTR acting as proxies for Punk talking about how he really wants to come back does come across as Punk trying to establish himself as the professional in the room when all this shit got started by him going off script on Hangman.  Where Dave loses me is when he goes on to say he thinks its part of some attempt on Punk's part to run off the Elite, which doesn't make any sense at all. I'm of the belief that while it's good business for them to listen to other offers, I don't see any of them wanting to deal with WWE bullshit at this stage of their careers. 

 

Also any links to the current Deadspin should be marked with an asterisk stating the staff that made that site worth a damn left en masse and created a new website NOAH style. The current Deadspin is a shell of its former self. 

[Jmare007]

22 minutes ago, sek69 said:

I kind of get where Dave is coming from, where FTR acting as proxies for Punk talking about how he really wants to come back does come across as Punk trying to establish himself as the professional in the room when all this shit got started by him going off script on Hangman.  Where Dave loses me is when he goes on to say he thinks its part of some attempt on Punk's part to run off the Elite, which doesn't make any sense at all. I'm of the belief that while it's good business for them to listen to other offers, I don't see any of them wanting to deal with WWE bullshit at this stage of their careers. 

 

Also any links to the current Deadspin should be marked with an asterisk stating the staff that made that site worth a damn left en masse and created a new website NOAH style. The current Deadspin is a shell of its former self. 

 

I don't think anyone doubts that Punk's side taking the initiative and leaking their plans answers to an ulterior motive. My thing at least is that we can't ignore how right now the focus (from Dave and Bryan at least) is in that ulterior motive. And six months ago when the other side was doing the same, the focus was on what they said and not that side's own ulterior motives.

And yeah, not the best choice of an article by Cutler.