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[JHawk]

A question from watching NWA on 24/7. They mention the '86 Great American Bash tour kicking off at Veterans Stadium in Philadelphia on July 1. Does anyone have a card and attendance figures from that event? That seems like a laughably oversized venue to hold a wrestling show.

I found the results at titlebelt.net, but no attendance figures

 

7/1/86 Philadelphia

Cage Match

Dusty Rhodes & Road Warrior Animal beat Ole & Arn Anderson

NWA Champion Ric Flair beat Road Warrior Hawk dq

Nikita Koloff beat Magnum TA

Rock & Roll Express & Baby Doll beat Midnight Express & Jim Cornette

Jimmy Valiant beat Baron Von Raschke

Ron Garvin beat Tully Blanchard

Indian Strap match

Wahoo McDaniel beat Jim Garvin

Bunkhouse match

Manny Fernandez beat Shaska Whatley

Black Bart beat Todd Champion

The Barbarian beat Denny Brown

[Johnny Sorrow]

A question from watching NWA on 24/7. They mention the '86 Great American Bash tour kicking off at Veterans Stadium in Philadelphia on July 1. Does anyone have a card and attendance figures from that event? That seems like a laughably oversized venue to hold a wrestling show.

I found the results at titlebelt.net, but no attendance figures

 

7/1/86 Philadelphia

Cage Match

Dusty Rhodes & Road Warrior Animal beat Ole & Arn Anderson

NWA Champion Ric Flair beat Road Warrior Hawk dq

Nikita Koloff beat Magnum TA

Rock & Roll Express & Baby Doll beat Midnight Express & Jim Cornette

Jimmy Valiant beat Baron Von Raschke

Ron Garvin beat Tully Blanchard

Indian Strap match

Wahoo McDaniel beat Jim Garvin

Bunkhouse match

Manny Fernandez beat Shaska Whatley

Black Bart beat Todd Champion

The Barbarian beat Denny Brown

 

I was at that show and it was great. But as far as the place being oversized, what they did was set up the ring in the middle of one corner of the Stadium, possibly near the pitcher's mound, I can't recall; there were rows of ringside seats and in the stands they just sold tix to that closet section. They had barricade tape as you'd reach the ends of where tickets were sold.

 

Sorry if that's confusing, I couldn't think of a better way to describe it.

[Al]

That's an apt description actually, since I'm familiar with the layout of the Vet.

[Strummer]

My God I just saw some clips of Joanie Laurer's fitness video put out by the WWF in 1999 or so and it's the closest the company has ever come to putting out a porno.

 

It's nothing but up close shots of her chest and ass with her moaning spliced in with some clips of her in "action"

 

 

Why didn't they do this with Trish Stratus!?!?!?

[Jingus]

What, you never saw any of the several million Divas video specials they put out over the past decade? Trish was in plenty of those.

[Strummer]

no I'm saying why didn't they release a Trish Workout video.

 

I mean its *Trish Stratus*

[Johnny Sorrow]

That's an apt description actually, since I'm familiar with the layout of the Vet.

Cool.

One of my favorite memories from that show was before the show, me and my buddy wandered over to the far right of stadium seats right by the wall where people from Crockett were hanging out and such, possibly catching some of David Allen Coe or whoever it was who played a set before the show. We were technically "backstage" sort of. David Crockett was signing autographs and my buddy asks him, "Hey, David! Is Flair gonna fight Jerry Lawler on the Bash Tour?" Crockett just looked at him with a look that said, "Shut the fuck up, mark."

 

And then Magnum wandered by and we said "Hey, Magnum!" He looks over and is greeted by two 16 year old dorks in Nikita T-Shirts, going "AAAARRRGHHH!" and doing the Russian Sycle arm deal. He also just looked at us with a "Fuck you." look. It was so great, even as dorky as it is 22 years later.

[sek69]

On a somewhat related note, seeing Magnum's porn 'stache sticking out of the mouth hole of his James Boys mask (on the latest NWA episode) is just hilarious.

[Boondocks Kernoodle]

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[Eduardo]

Raw spoiler.

 

 

Well, after a very long opening segment on Raw, CM Punk cashed in his money in the bank contract and defeated Edge to win the World Heavyweight Championship.

 

[Kronos]

Raw spoiler.

 

 

Well, after a very long opening segment on Raw, CM Punk cashed in his money in the bank contract and defeated Edge to win the World Heavyweight Championship.

 

 

On RAW, not PPV? Damn it, what a waste. Kinda like Foley's win back in the day.

[Tim Evans]

How is Foley's title win a waste? I mean how many thousands of viewers did that moment gain when Schivonie said Foley was going to win and all those people went from WCW to Raw? I still remember it to this day. I can't say that about a lot of "ppv title changes". And Punk looked like a huge star tonight vs JBL. Very good Raw now that HHH and the Mcmahons aren't on it all the time.

[Kronos]

How is Foley's title win a waste? I mean how many thousands of viewers did that moment gain when Schivonie said Foley was going to win and all those people went from WCW to Raw? I still remember it to this day. I can't say that about a lot of "ppv title changes". And Punk looked like a huge star tonight vs JBL. Very good Raw now that HHH and the Mcmahons aren't on it all the time.

Well, that's a good point about it bringing in viewers. I guess I was thinking from a prestige standpoint. I always feel like changing titles on the TV is less prestigious that doing it on PPV. But perhaps that's more from a mark than a business viewpoint.

 

I can't wait to watch this one. I am happy for Punk, and wouldn't I love to see him feud with JBL -- who has become one of my favorites.

[Jingus]

Well, that's a good point about it bringing in viewers. I guess I was thinking from a prestige standpoint. I always feel like changing titles on the TV is less prestigious that doing it on PPV. But perhaps that's more from a mark than a business viewpoint.

The WWE has intentionally built it up that way. The WWE world championships (not counting ECW) have changed hands on free television only six times in the past five years. And more than half of those were unplanned changes which the company was forced into (two battle royales for the belt for when Batista and Edge each got injured, another MITB win when Taker got hurt, and the title switch after RVD's arrest). Tonight's title change was the first one on free television since the Angle/Lesnar iron man match which wasn't dictated by circumstance.

[Loss]

Whether it's going to work in the end or not, WWE is definitely finally trying to interject lots of new people near the top of the card, and the face of the big shows has completely changed. I've always preferred desperate, back-against-the-wall Vince to a Vince who's doing well and sees no reason to change anything, which is what we've been stuck with honestly since the death of WCW.

 

The success or failure of the Punk title run is determined in the follow up more than it is the way he won the belt, so the jury is still out. But Cena, Batista, Michaels, Jericho, JBL, and Punk on top at least creates several new possibilities. I tend to think we're going to get a Batista heel turn and title win over Punk, leading to a Michaels/Batista feud to occupy Batista until Wrestlemania. Cena will feud with Jericho during that same window. Punk and JBL have something going on and off, with maybe Lance Cade or whoever else they think they might want to mix in breaking things up in all the big feuds from time to time.

 

On Smackdown, I'm thinking they will find a way to keep Edge and HHH separate until Mania also, and I see Taker feuding with someone like Umaga once the Edge/Taker feud comes to a conclusion. If HHH goes heel, he can feud with Jeff Hardy, but HHH and Edge both as heels on the same show may be too much fighting over the same spot.

 

I'm thinking the Matt Hardy to ECW move is a way to try to push him hard and get him over before eventually moving him either back to Smackdown or to Raw.

[Bob Morris]

I agree that the idea of pushing new talent is a good thing. But it's also important to execute it well. We've seen plenty of times in which various feds pushed new talent but the execution wasn't good.

 

I'm not talking about how Punk won the title... it's how you follow up on it that really matters. We shall see what WWE does.

[Bix]

[goodhelmet]

That is the funniest shit ever. Seriously, still laughing.

[Childs]

That made me laugh out loud at my desk. Also a hoot are the orgasmic posts over at the ROH message board. In case you were wondering, WWE is real wrestling again for the first time in a decade.

[S.L.L.]

Alright, internet. Explain to me how CM Punk is getting buried now.

 

One interesting thing about last night's show that I wanted to mention was that we had Rey Mysterio and John Cena cutting promos in which they both made a big deal out of congratulating CM Punk on his win. Reminded me a little of when Bret won his first title, and in the weeks that followed, you had a number of top babyfaces cutting promos congratulating him. Not something I've recalled them doing since then, and I don't know if it's really indicative of anything, but Punk getting the seal of approval from other top faces was kind of a neat touch and left me thinking they were serious about running with him on top. I don't know if they are, but that's the vibe it gave me.

[TravJ1979]

Just a thought ...

 

War Games?

 

Punk/Cena/Cryme Tyme v. JBL/Edge/Hawkins/Ryder

[Kronos]

That made me laugh out loud at my desk. Also a hoot are the orgasmic posts over at the ROH message board. In case you were wondering, WWE is real wrestling again for the first time in a decade.

That cartoon was awesome!

 

Also, I never even go to the ROH boards anymore except for DVD reviews of their shows. All it does is make people into snobby smarks who crap on everything every other promo has done. . .

[Bob Morris]

Alright, internet. Explain to me how CM Punk is getting buried now.

 

One interesting thing about last night's show that I wanted to mention was that we had Rey Mysterio and John Cena cutting promos in which they both made a big deal out of congratulating CM Punk on his win. Reminded me a little of when Bret won his first title, and in the weeks that followed, you had a number of top babyfaces cutting promos congratulating him. Not something I've recalled them doing since then, and I don't know if it's really indicative of anything, but Punk getting the seal of approval from other top faces was kind of a neat touch and left me thinking they were serious about running with him on top. I don't know if they are, but that's the vibe it gave me.

Those who are complaining about how it happened think it made Punk look weak because he cashed in moments after Batista beat down Edge.

 

But as I said, it's the follow up that's important. If they end up setting up a Punk/Batista program, with Batista turning heel and claiming Punk never would have won the title if he hadn't beaten up Edge, and then he turns around and jobs cleanly to Batista, then it's a job done well with Punk.

 

That being said, I can understand people being suspicious as to whether or not they'll properly follow up with a good title run for Punk, given that WWE Creative has had a track record of often doing a poor job of following up on things.

[Guest DietSoda]

Make this work again. I need to show my friends.

[Jingus]

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I've always preferred desperate, back-against-the-wall Vince to a Vince who's doing well and sees no reason to change anything,

What did you think of WWF in the year 2000? They were enjoying heretofore unheard-of financial success, WCW was a joke which couldn't do anything right, but still the whole year is largely regarded as an artistic success as well.

 

Alright, internet. Explain to me how CM Punk is getting buried now.

Oh, they will find ways to explain it. One of the more hilariously pathetic leftovers from last night were all the posts made in between Punk's title win and the main event. About a thousand smart marks were all paranoid and terrified that Big Mean Bully Bradshaw was gonna stiff their hero and walk off with the belt.

 

That being said, I can understand people being suspicious as to whether or not they'll properly follow up with a good title run for Punk, given that WWE Creative has had a track record of often doing a poor job of following up on things.

Well, truthfully the WWE does have a pretty lousy trackrate with following through on the smaller workrate types after they win the championship belts. Bret Hart was the first and foremost example, and it was always made clear in the early years of his title reign that he wasn't the important part of the promotion, it was all about Hogan or Undertaker or Luger or Yokozuna or Diesel or whomever.

 

Since then, they kept doing this, and in some cases got worse. While Benoit was champion, the only way he got into main events is if they were rematches with Triple H, and he didn't keep the belt long. Similar situation with Eddie. They didn't seem to have much confidence with Rob Van Dam even before the arrest. And Rey Misterio somehow became the recipient of the worst, most damaging booking of his entire WWE career only while he held that title belt. Most importantly, note that after they lost the belts, none of these guys ever returned to legit main event status again.

 

So if the Punk marks are worried that this whole thing might not work out too well for their hero in the end, I'd say that history and precedent do back up that belief. Of course, since I'm not particularly fond of Punk myself, I'll just be laughing the whole time.