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I wouldn't call them my favorite tag team by any stretch. They would have been perfectly good as upper midcard enforcer or gatekeeper types though. You give them a good three or four year run in that role and they'd be pretty well-remembered. I could see them as transitional champs also, take the belts off a team on the downturn and have some up-and-coming babyface team come in and upset them leading to a few months feud. Easy way to get a new babyface team over quickly. Moving along, the RnRs are up next on Saturday Night. Robert takes the heat and Ricky comes in hot, but the match seems a little awkward all around. Dusty and Tony hype up the RnRs as contenders in the tag division in a rather comic bit of commentary. Then the American Males are back in the picture with Riggs coming back from an injury. They get more offense in but go down to way less punishment. You'd think that WCW would give the match a bit more time to let the FoF get in more offense if they wanted to make the Males look good. Hart gets on the mic and demands that his team be involved in the tag title match at World War 3. And the face turn that has been sneakily being done seems almost complete here. Th Outsiders have just taken out the Nasty Boys, their other opponent for WW3 on next week's Nitro. They threaten Tony and call out the FoF, who don't come running out. Cameras follow the Outsiders to the back and guess who attacks. They brawl out the back door of the building and the FoF get to look good against the champs. On Saturday Night right before WW3 Ciclope and Galaxy are the next victims. Both are in the ring for about two minutes straight until a big barbarian double lariat sets Galaxy up for a beating. I'd say it was a heat, except the FoF are the babyfaces now. Barbarian seems to excel in this role on offense. Ciclope gets in some offense off the tag before the finish and Hart cuts another promo. WW3 sees Nash and Hall getting jumped by both the Nasties and the FoF. Things settle into a Nasties vs. FoF brawl when the Outsiders cower away. This is actually a fun brawl with the Outsiders doing their best to tag themselves in strategically while letting the other two teams hurt each other. Eventually the other teams catch on and things start to even up. Strange spot where Barbarian and Meng are tagged in opposite one another and immediately tag out. Knobbs and Meng tag in both Hall and Nash and everybody drops off the apron. Nash lays down for Hall in the obvious spot that I suppose did have to be reserved for them. And a short bit of chaos ensues which leaves Nash powerbombing Knobbs and covering for the finish. I wish there had been a better finish, especially given that Hall and Nash were the legal men no more than 20 seconds before. Maybe them clearing the ring and getting their cheap and easy victory of one pinning the other. Fun brawl with a lot of good clubberins and some actual decent to good from Hall and Nash in bursts. When they didn't have to do a lot and just got more signature stuff in they didn't detract from the match at all. Edit: Meng and Barbarian are wearing those swank black leather vest/robes with the skulls on them now. Love that entrance gear.

Three more squashes, and each one has it's own flavor. Bunkhouse Buck and Mike Enos, with Bunkhouse trying to engage both Meng and Barbarian in a technical wrestling match. Odd that. The Fantastics, with Tommy Rogers doing a great little comeback spot before being crushed. And High Voltage, again getting more offense than last time. Until the really nice finish. They really wanted to get their Power Plant guys over. Which brings us to: Benoit & McMichael vs. the Faces of Fear McMichael looks good against Meng twice in the early going. Meng goes right to McMichael's strengths and makes him look great. Benoit and Barbarian brawl a bit and have a nice exchange that ends in Benoit northern lights. We go to a short McMichael heat after he gets some offense in on both opponents. Then a Benoit comeback followed by some major heat on Benoit. At one point Benoit takes a belly to belly off the top that has to be seen to be believed. Benoit ends up with his feet a few inches off the ropes in the opposite corner. That leads directly into McMichael using the briefcase on Meng (the guy you can't headbutt) to set up a Benoit finish. I had forgotten about McMichael using the briefcase to hit guys. I really wish it had stayed forgotten. Anyway, Sullivan, Traylor and the rest of the DoD come in from the crowd and take McMichael out. Benoit fights off everybody for a while, but the inevitable happens. Sullivan taunts Woman and starts beating up Benoit. Good tag match brawl with the right build to protect Mongo. Not exactly what you hope for on PPV as far as finishes go, but eh. Oh, and the purpose of this thread is more for me to keep my resolution for the year. I want to write more about what I'm watching rather than just watch it and forget it. So it's not meant to be a complaint about WCW's booking. Just trying to put down what I see.

I don't know. Meng seemed like he was getting at least a midcard singles push as a heel with the gimmicked finisher. Then he went straight to being a JTTS with almost zero momentum for months despite being in a new tag team. Either way, pushing forward. Next up the FoF take on John Tenta and RON Studd. Not sure if he's a relation, but he's big. I'm guessing Power Plant. Fun match with Tenta giving some back to both Barbarian and Meng before Meng sets up a nice variation on the Barbarian big boot for the win. Also, CLUBBERINS! Love Dusty on commentary. And we continue with a squash of High Voltage, but not before Meng does the staggered spot into finally getting knocked down, which he does real well. Almost seems like they are trying to convince the fans High Voltage really deserves a better push on commentary. Harlem Heat is out with the tag titles, and it seems like there is some confusion pre-match as to who is the face and who is the heel team. They get it sorted out and Booker does will as FIP. Then chaos starts, but only after the crowd has reacted to the outsiders coming in through the crowd (they have a tag title shot on PPV). And we get a "WCW united" moment where they stop wrestling and go out as four WCW guys to challenge the Outsiders to come over the guard rail. We're working towards FoF against Benoit and McMichael at Havoc and I'm pretty amped that they actually have something going other than "lets put them in there to look impressive so a big name comes off looking good." Even if the Horsemen are technically heels, and I'm not sure if the Heat were babyface by now. Also, the Outsiders are already getting as many cheers as boos, so who exactly are the heels here?

I recently started watching a comp of Meng and Barbarian in 96 and the booking surrounding them is pretty strange(if it's not WCW with Hogan around, that is). We start 1996 with Meng against Hogan. So Meng gets to beat up on the Hulkster for a short time and then you know what happens. Hulk is sort of getting pops for this, but it's not exactly 1980s level pops. Also, in the jobber match the week before and this one, Meng wears this sweet ring robe that I wish he hadn't gotten rid of. And Sullivan is passing him "the Golden Spike" for his thumb spike finisher. Interesting stuff and about two matches later both of those are gone. Meng wrestles Johnny B. Badd and it's really not memorable. Then the FoF do not one but TWO jobs to get the Roadies over on their return to WCW. Not bad matches, but that turned out really well didn't it? And right on the heels of the second job to the Roadies we have the Doomsday Cage Match. Incredible spectacle for that cage, but really? I'm not sure how many people in WCW were panicking about this time about how Hogan was killing them, but it had to be a lot. And next match out Meng and Barbarian are CRUSHING the American Males. And it's fun. Then there's some chaos and somehow illegal man Buff ends up getting the pin after both him and Riggs get beaten savagely for about 7 minutes. At this point, both Meng and Barbarian are JTTS. There's no way around it. Only people they have beaten this year, despite all the love the announcers show them, are jobbers. And hey, let's job Meng to Duggan in a perfectly good match up until the Duggan tape wrapping on the outside for the punch that finishes (the guy who can't be headbutted, but a taped up punch, HELL YES that works) Meng. Yeah, JTTS. But wait, now we have Barbarian and Benoit in another perfectly good match. And two weeks later Meng jobs to Sting after Barbarian boots him in the face. Meng returns the favor in Barbarian's match against Duggan to set up Battle Bowl where they face each other in the first round. Barbarian and DDP make it to the end with DDP doing the majority of the work. So then the next logical step is to have the FoF in a good tag titles match against Sting and Luger. Because they were built up so well. But it's a step in the right direction. The momentum continues with a team squash, Meng looking good against Sting and Barbarian getting matches with Luger and Eddie Guerrero and splitting them. The Dungeon of Doom becomes an 8-man squash machine for a while with Bron the Leprechaun running around ringside. Which is possibly the most insanely poorly thought out gimmick I've seen in a while. And Meng gets 10+ minutes with Ice Train to put the Train over in his return, which is not at all good. Ice Train can't keep anybody interested past his big spots to pop the crowd. Meng has been killed so much leading into this that nobody seems to care. And I can't tell if it's apathy or lack of ability to get the crowd involved on Meng's part. And this leads to two months straight of DoD squashes sandwiched around a brawl with the Horsemen that is very quickly swept under the rug in the wake of the NWO. So far I'm seeing a lot of really good punishment dished out by both Meng and Barbarian. Barbarian is sloppy, but his big spots are stiff and brutal. It almost seems like Meng got demoted for getting too much heat with the almost immediate small, but significant, changes to his gimmick after the Hogan match. Can't have heels getting too much heat now. And just when things started to swing their direction again the NWO was taking off. There's no way these guys are going to have any real heat while that's going on, especially given their lack of any political pull. Makes me wonder if Jimmy Hart didn't have a lot of interest in these guys despite being their manager.

I thought they should have taken it home about 5-7 minutes earlier. Wagner did way too much to not put Kanemoto away. Those Michinoku drivers should have been the end if not the splash mountain.

The first pinfall was pretty bad. JWP working from underneath down 2-1 was really good. I liked the setup for Kansai's powerbomb but thought that with that kind of build it would have been the deciding fall not the one to tie. Ozaki did seem like the one taking the beating early on and had to steadily come back as the match went on. Once the heat was over it became a big mess of bombs for nearfalls to pop the crowd, but again they did have the teases for Kansai's powerbomb. Loved Aja as the 1A and Kansai as the 1B in this match. Takako was a surprise, and did well as the victim for the heel in peril segment. She seemed right behind Kansai in terms of where she stood in the match as it progressed. Finish was good, but I think if Ozaki had tied it up for JWP and Kansai had fought off the second uraken to put it away with a powerbomb it works better.

I really liked the build to this match. The intensity keeps moving in the right direction, but never enough to boil over. I also liked the way Casas never resorted to mask ripping, it showed a confidence that he had the win despite the odds of that happening. Very gritty pro wrestling match in a setting you expect something different, which makes it seem even better.

I really enjoyed this as a slugfest. For me it's all in how the people involve make these kinds of matches work. While I hate most of the modern day strike exchanges for as empty and rote as they seem, this was done in a way that elevates it above that sort of thing. The selling by Tenryu was superb, as well as Hashimoto's dogged pursuit of the DDT. I also thought they used the slugfest nature of the match to really heighten the importance of the bombs they built to. The powerbomb and the elbow drop that follows really shine because of how much had gone into getting to that point using little but strikes. Even the corner lariat by Tenryu was a big deal with this build. It doesn't hurt that I'm much more likely to enjoy a good brawl than a well-worked technical match.

Mine are pretty simple. I need to watch more wrestling. I let it slide and it's a lot more difficult to sit through two plus hours of wrestling if I don't switch up styles along the way. Also, I need to post more about the wrestling I watch. I'm 100% certain that it makes me look at what's happening a lot more closely and pick up on details I might miss if I don't plan on putting my thoughts on the match I'm watching into words.

Ditch's 2000s project had a few U-Style Tamura matches on it. Really good stuff IIRC.

I think part of the problem with the Von Erich feud, a BIG part of it, is that the 'birds were always working against a lot of obstacles. Kevin von Erich refusing to get any heat on him outside of a few matches can't help them at all. The fact that they were able to make the matches they had entertaining at all is something in their favor. I actually prefer their babyface work against Devastation, Inc. to their von Erich matches. For one because the babyfaces in the match were willing to let some heat build before they came off as world-beaters (if they did). Also, once Mike von Erich enters the scene the VE feud really takes a turn. You can at least see where David would be able to dominate Roberts or Hayes. I'm not sure I see Mike von Erich as a dominating wrestler. And I will say that Gordy's work in Texas runs circles around his work in 1990s AJPW for me.

I've been rewatching the WWC feud with Carlos Colon and I think it adds a lot to Hansen's case. Hansen works a bunch of completely different matches with Colon over the course of the feud. He gives Colon a real nice shine involving the bullrope after beating Colon with it in the previous match. Then after the incident on Chicky's Sports Shop Hansen gives Colon a MASSIVE shine where Colon looks like an unstoppable force of nature. That same match has the incredible legwork by Colon and equally great selling by Hansen. If you haven't seen it this feud is well worth your time.

Micro you forgot the 2009 HDA reunion tag against KENTA/Akiyama. It may not stack up in terms of only the in-ring action, but seeing Taue and Kawada reunite one more time to honor their fallen foe Misawa is a sight to behold.

Good to see the majority of my roster has gone to places that seem like they will put them to good use. For those unaware, Phil Lafon becomes Danny Kroffat of All Japan fame when the Dan Kroffat of the 70s retires. Also, if you haven't ever seen Mad Dog Lefebvre wrestle, he's worth a look. Plays the gimmick well enough and is a good brawler that can do quite a bit more. He dies Christmas Eve 1985, but that's two years of a quality midcard guy that never got the push he deserved.

Sending positive thoughts your way. Keep fighting, do what the doctors tell you and you'll pull through.

Reading back through this I think you should look up a few Jim Breaks matches. It's not the territories per se, but the man had some of the nastiest arm offense I've ever seen and played his role as a heel to perfection.

4-18-91 Hansen/Deaton vs. Gordy/Williams Amazing uber babyface Hansen work.

I'm gonna put up $10,000 for whoever can hurt ____ (usually a top babyface).

I am 100% in agreement with Gene. I know it seems like a lot of time in addition to the writing and planning, but it's important that you read the other promotions. I always tried to find details I liked or didn't care for. Character stuff, booking decisions, odd card orders, whatever might have caught my eye. It's stuff like that when people gave me feedback on my shows that showed me what I was doing that made sense to the reader/viewer and what I may have gotten wrong. I didn't immediately change everything that was mentioned didn't work for people or throw everything people liked to the forefront, but it gave me a little perspective at least. We are all going to look at our booking through one set of eyes and that can lead to a lot of bad things. If you don't think so, see: modern WWE. So the feedback seems like a great way of seeing it through somebody else's eyes and tweaking things however much seems right. There are very large weaknesses to the way I had my TV booked, things I wouldn't have seen on my own and started moving away from slowly that were pointed out to me as I went. Given the chance to do things over I would make some very major and very minor changes to things, largely due to feedback. So even if all your feedback isn't positive, just keep it aimed at the actual aspect of the written show you didn't like. Suggest things you think might help. You can give that kind of feedback without being mean or having to be really roundabout. Just say things like "___ didn't work for me." Generally the writer will be more than willing to give some kind of reasoning and discussion can be had from there. It's usually when somebody starts outright insulting the shows that things become hostile.

Watch the two Dump matches in Loss's joshi thread. Amazing stuff.

On rewatch there is something else about the moonsault. Yes it is beautifully set up and yes it caps off an amazing Kobashi comeback, but I love another wrinkle to it. It kills Kobashi for the purposes of being useful in the match. His knee is shot after doing it. He spends the rest of the match crawling and hobbling around after utlimately killing the knee himself by trying to pull off the miracle win with the moonsault. He tries valiantly to use his own body to shield Misawa long enough to give him time for a comeback, but it's too far gone. I do agree that at a certain point with Matt that what these four are doing has to implode because of how much they were already doing. And it did, in ways that I think Japanese wrestling is still dealing with today. But this match is an incredible piece of wrestling history, perfectly executed in so many ways and I'm almost willing to accept that it's matches like these that inspired the decadence that followed.

Seems like he wasn't near as interested in dives and top rope shit, more just building towards his finisher as the match went on. I dug the wakigatame takedown, knowing that the defense to the move would likely be Ohtani flipping to his back, which opened up the armbar. Stuff like that gives the impression of an actual strategy being worked while looking for his finisher instead of just "big bombs" to wear the guy down.

The Von Erichs and Freebirds continue to feud after the 'birds lose the 6 man titles and Buddy loses his hair to Iceman. King Tonga takes 10+ minutes to beat JTTS guys in 1985 and 86 in the WWF. The Moondog Spot match as a nice little brawl and the British jobber was a completely different match than anything else, not bad at all. And he slams Big John Studd, even if it doesn't count because he wasn't part of the challenge that week. A young El Samurai is a complete dick to Liger in 92 and ends up wearing his mask like a collar for 2/3 of the match. Brody and Abdullah take a few strolls around a stadium in PR between bloddying each other up. Kendo Ka Shin and Ohtani put together one of the best (easily one of the most focused) finish runs in a 90s juniors match I have ever seen. It was half the length of the match but brilliantly done. Did I sleep on Ka Shin all these years or is this just a one off? Santo and Psicosis battle in a (non-apuestas) AAA title match with some insane dives and only two caidas?? Chiggy and Dump see who is going to get a haircut!

That's a good one Smack. There has to be one with the announcer(s) talking about how resilient whatever wrestler taking punishment currently is, superhuman almost, way above what we can expect even from an average wrestler. Even if they say that about 2/3 of the wrestlers in said promotion at the time.

I'm not sure he was scolding. Just pointing out where things have gone wrong so far. I would agree with the idea that things should be set the way they are going to be at some point.