El McKell

I'm sure a bunch of people on that list are women. I'd have a hard time believing that out of 152 voters that there's only like 3 or 4 of us.

Pretty happy somebody voted for Natsuki Taiyo. Also Bob Sapp got at least one vote which is incredible to me.

always hitting quote when I mean to hit edit. I'm a idiot

151 is an incredible number of ballots, super surprised that there was that many. Excited for the reve​al of the results, and I kinda wanna know who the one person who didn't consider Mainstream US Wrestling was.

18 months and about 2,000 matches later I've submitted my balot. This was an incredible project I've loved it so much, watched more wrestling than at any time in my life while simultaneously almost completely losing track of what's happening in current wrestling. Couldn't put Natsuki*Taiyo on my list despite the fact that she's awesome and nobody will vote for her now. ​There were 121 nominees that I didn't get to at all, didn't watch any matches from since the start of this project, there's probably a few of them that were great and could've made my list but alas I only had 18 months

Is asking where did you put Akira Hokuto so I can find out if I'm going higher or not bad manners?

If that's the match from the US that's on Youtube, it's really horrible.

I'd disagree with that. No Mercy '08 against Jeff Hardy and both of the Shield vs Evolution matches.

Someone in another thread said they put Kana/Asuka in their top 10 and if Lance Storm had been nominated he would've been top 20. Do you think you can out weird that?

Haven't listened to all of this or even half of it, but it's great so far. And spoiler alert for my list Steven is not the high vote on CM Punk as he says he might be.

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How is Roddy Piper vs Mr. T from Wrestlemania 2 not in this bottom 60?

​I will watch whatever Necro in IGF stuff you think I should if you can provide me a way of watching Bob Sapp vs Necro Butcher This request was ignored, but it no longer matters because my stupid dreams to watch a shitty match have come true.

Just watched that Hase-Chono match and I have no doubt that reading this thread killed my ability to enjoy it because i was thinking about what people said and what i thought of the match the whole time. ​Anyway, Hase's working over the neck section was kinda annoying because of how many times he just picks Chono up to hit another move I wish he would go for a cover once in a while, he doesn't go for a single pin during this section, he hits 4 neckbreakers, 2 stunners, a jawbreaker and a piledriver. ​Chono working over Hase's leg is far far more compelling, Hase does an awesome job selling and unlike Chono, he fights back, he looks for the armbar and rollup and also hits a random insane top rope northern lights suplex. Throwing away the kneepad made no sense but it was awesome, same goes for having his ankle bandage on outside of his boot. ​Hase waving photographers out of the way before they start rolling towards the ropes for the first figure-4 that ended up on the outside was dumb as fuck. ​Chono's breathing is headwrecking. ​Also my enjoyment of this match was hurt by the fact that my internet died with about 1 minute left and I had to watch the last minute about 2-3 minutes later. ​I can't give a star rating because it's impossible for me to compare a match where all I was thinking about this thread the whole time to the way I normally watch matches. I'll have to watch it again years from now when I've forgotten all about this to throw snowflakes on it.

This was exactly my point I think using the average score out of all ballots turned in not just ballots each wrestler appear on would be the best way it accounts for no only the wrestlers average ranking but also their overall standing with all voters sure it may be unfair to some wrestlers from underrepresented regions but, the voting in general isn't set up to protect for that as is because balloting isn't segregated into voting regions/blocks ala WON HOF voting. If you use average score of all ballots you will end up with a tie again. if both wrestlers got say 200 points and you divide that by the total number of ballots the tie will not be broken Yeah I'm saying to not use the weighted point system for the tie breaker so a #1 rank = 100 points and a #100 rank = 1 point and so on then a non-rank = 0 points then average based on all ballots Oh ok sorry my bad

This was exactly my point I think using the average score out of all ballots turned in not just ballots each wrestler appear on would be the best way it accounts for no only the wrestlers average ranking but also their overall standing with all voters sure it may be unfair to some wrestlers from underrepresented regions but, the voting in general isn't set up to protect for that as is because balloting isn't segregated into voting regions/blocks ala WON HOF voting. If you use average score of all ballots you will end up with a tie again. if both wrestlers got say 200 points and you divide that by the total number of ballots the tie will not be broken

The 'Mark from Peep Show' vibe. Holy shit that is so accurate.

I second this, when I was like 16 or 17 I found an old LP of squeeze's greatest hits that my mam had and it was just so awesome. If you aren't gonna check out the full best of at least listen to Up The Junction. Anyway as far as best single disc greatest hits collection of wrestlers not making my ballot, probably Roderick Strong or Toshiyo Yamada or if Austin Aries ends up not making the cut it'd be him.

I think that it should be whoever appears on the most ballots largely because we have opted for a system that potentially undervalues simply appearing on a ballot, because there are so few points for being at the bottom of a ballot despite the fact that it means a wrestler is being ranked ahead of more than 500 other nominees.

Dean Allmark was nominated

Wait what? I should've paid more attention to the Tag Team Nominees, this is a travesty of justice.

I'm not great at self-reflection but I think I sorta came to a realization about what makes a great wrestler to me that is similar to what supremebve is talking about above. If it seems like a wrestler is doing the right thing but the match as a whole isn't enhanced by it, I'm pretty sure it's not actually worth anything. If it seems like they're doing the wrong thing but it doesn't hurt my enjoyment of the match then it wasn't really the wrong thing. How good the end product is is what matters to me not so much the process. This doesn't mean simply saying A had better matches than B and therefore is a better wrestler because I have been thinking about the opportunity to have good matches, mostly in terms of the quality of opponents but also in terms of length and positioning of the match. This has sorta turned into a ramble about what criteria am I using to form my list. Who knows what I really learned, if anything.

Well maybe this has been proved wrong, I like Jimmy and El McKell. You shouldn't, Ted DiBiase isn't in my 100 greatest wrestlers ever.

There's no way in hell I could choose anything other than post 1996, how can I decide to rule out all future matches, especially when much of the stuff considered the absolute best is stuff I've already seen. If I had to choose between watching stuff pre 2016 or 2016 onward I would choose 2016 onward.

​The El Generico match from Chikara's King of Trios 2011