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"Iron Mountain" would be a great wrestling name for a big man.

 

(We use Iron Mountain for off-site storage at work. I've never been there, but had the opportunity to tour once and wasn't able to do so because of a scheduling conflict.)

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Iron Mountain sounds like a henchman villain in a kung fu film. You know the one. "Iron Mountain Kang". The really big muscly dude who looks like a Chinese Scott Norton with an amazing Fu Manchu mustache that can punch through walls and tables and shit, but is finally felled by a groin punt followed by being airplane spun and thrown off a bridge into the Yellow River.

 

"No Mountain can stand against the might of the river! Hahahaha."

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He killed his 7-year old son by choking him to death with his wrestling finisher. That's worth emphasizing.

Haven't most reliable sources exposed that as bullshit? Murdering Daniel with the crossface was just a rumour going around when it first happened.

Quite the opposite, as Loss pointed out. In fact, I distinctly remember a number of people - including myself - who dismissed the reports at first because it just seemed too ridiculous to be true, only to find out that it was.

 

That was a weird, weird time to be a wrestling fan.

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Disgusting. And people wonder why most of the rest of society looks down on wrestling fans. It's not because of following a fake sport, it's because all too often they really do fit into the lowest common denominator stereotype.

Don't tar wrestling fans unfairly, football fans apply the same principle to OJ Simpson and his achievements. Chris Brown still sells millions of records despite his despicable crimes. People still love Phil Spector and praise his music despite the fact he was a murderer. Actors who have committed awful crimes still get praised. It isn't wrestling fans who do this, it is a good proportion of society.

 

Find me the people on the anniversary of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman's murders that are tweeting #Remember2000yards. Find me the people who take the anniversary of Lana Clarkson's murder to look back fondly on the Wall of Sound. No? OK.

 

Well, it's a little unique because it's also the day he died.

 

Isn't that the point? He slaughters his family and all certain people want to remember about the day is "the world lost a great wrestler"?

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Disgusting. And people wonder why most of the rest of society looks down on wrestling fans. It's not because of following a fake sport, it's because all too often they really do fit into the lowest common denominator stereotype.

Don't tar wrestling fans unfairly, football fans apply the same principle to OJ Simpson and his achievements. Chris Brown still sells millions of records despite his despicable crimes. People still love Phil Spector and praise his music despite the fact he was a murderer. Actors who have committed awful crimes still get praised. It isn't wrestling fans who do this, it is a good proportion of society.

 

Find me the people on the anniversary of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman's murders that are tweeting #Remember2000yards. Find me the people who take the anniversary of Lana Clarkson's murder to look back fondly on the Wall of Sound. No? OK.

 

Well, it's a little unique because it's also the day he died.

 

Isn't that the point? He slaughters his family and all certain people want to remember about the day is "the world lost a great wrestler"?

 

I'm just saying that if OJ had also died on the day that he committed the murders, you could very well see some sick people from those communities commemorating the day as well. I agree with the general premise that fans in many areas of entertainment will show similar misplaced priorities. If an important college football player rapes a girl and has to miss a big game because he's in jail, a decent percentage of that team's fanbase is going to be pissed at the girl for costing them the game. We want to be entertained ahead of everything else.

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So I'm watching Flair-Hogan from MSG from a...Superstars taping? It's obviously in between Survivor Series and Tuesday In Texas. But anyway, the Big Gold Belt issue had been resolved and the belt had been returned to WCW, but for the storyline purposes Flair is still dubbing himself "The Real World's Champion" and the belt he is holding is blurred due to Jack Tunney declaring that it shall be blurred out for television.

 

Anyway, it happened to have been a tag belt, so I wonder what the reaction in the stands was, well clearly fans must have figured WCW got the rights to Flair's belt back, to Flair hoisting up a tag belt the same way he and Bobby Heenan had all those months with the Big Gold Belt? Must have been a "why bother guys, just for the TV audience" type of response.

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These were the two Hogan-Flair matches at MSG. Neither were Superstars tapings - simply back in the day when pretty much every MSG was taped for airing on the MSG Network (and selected matches airing on Prime Time).

 

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - November 30, 1991 (15,000)

Televised on the MSG Network - featured Vince McMahon, Bobby Heenan, & Lord Alfred Hayes on commentary:

Prime Time Wrestling - 12/30/91: Tito Santana pinned Kato with the flying forearm at 10:04

Kerry Von Erich defeated the Berzerker via count-out

Prime Time Wrestling - 12/23/91: Jim Duggan pinned the Barbarian with the running clothesline at 7:51

Prime Time Wrestling - 1/6/92: Virgil pinned Skinner with a sunset flip at 6:07

Hulk Hogan defeated Ric Flair (w/ Mr. Pefect) via reverse decision at 9:25; Flair had originally won the match via pinfall after hitting Hogan with a pair of brass knuckles, handed to him by Perfect (Greatest Wrestling Stars of the 90s)

IRS pinned the Big Bossman after the Mountie came ringside

WWF IC Champion Bret Hart pinned the Mountie with an elbow off the middle turnbuckle; prior to the bout, the Big Bossman appeared and took the challenger's shock stick backstage

Prime Time Wrestling - 1/6/92: The Nasty Boys defeated Shawn Michaels & Marty Jannetty when Saggs pinned Jannetty with a small package at 16:20 which was originally reversed by Knobbs, and then Jannetty reversed the move himself before Michaels mistakingly reversed the move again, allowing Saggs the pin

 

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - December 29, 1991 (11,000)

Televised on the MSG Network 12/31/91 - featured Gorilla Monsoon & Bobby Heenan on commentary; included an in-ring promo by Col. Mustafa & Gen. Adnan in which they insulted Sgt. Slaughter:

Prime Time Wrestling - 2/3/92: Davey Boy Smith pinned the Berzerker with a small package at 5:05

Prime Time Wrestling - 2/3/92: Sgt. Slaughter defeated Gen. Adnan & Col. Mustafa in a handicap flag match at 3:27 by pinning Mustafa with a clothesline; after the bout, Slaughter led the crowd in saying the Pledge of Alliegence

Prime Time Wrestling - 1/20/92: Hercules pinned Greg Valentine by lifting his shoulder out of a back suplex into a bridge at 7:44

Prime Time Wrestling - 1/27/92: The Nasty Boys defeated the Bushwhackers when Knobbs pinned Butch at around 9:45 with a clothesline; after the bout, the Nastys continued to assault their opponents until Sgt. Slaughter made the save

Prime Time Wrestling - 1/27/92: Skinner pinned Jim Powers with the reverse DDT at 6:51

Prime Time Wrestling - 1/20/92: Chris Walker pinned the Brooklyn Brawler with a flying bodypress at 4:02

Virgil defeated Repo Man via disqualification at 9:35 when Repo began choking Virgil with his rope

Prime Time Wrestling - 1/20/92: WWF IC Champion Bret Hart fought Ted Dibiase (w/ Sensational Sherri) to a 20-minute time-limit draw at 19:06 as Hart chased Sherri around ringside and into the ring; late in the bout, as Dibiase had Hart in the Million $ Dream, Sherri ran over and rang the time keeper's bell which resulted in the match pausing until referee Earl Hebner ordered the match to continue; after the bout, Dibiase attempted to attack Hart with the title belt but was clotheslined to the floor

Hulk Hogan defeated Ric Flair (w/ Mr. Perfect) via count-out at 10:09 after ramming Flair's head into the ringpost on the floor; after the match, Flair jumped Hogan from behind but Hogan fought him off and sent him to the floor (Hulk Hogan: The Unreleased Archives)

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These were the two Hogan-Flair matches at MSG. Neither were Superstars tapings - simply back in the day when pretty much every MSG was taped for airing on the MSG Network (and selected matches airing on Prime Time).

 

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - November 30, 1991 (15,000)

Hulk Hogan defeated Ric Flair (w/ Mr. Pefect) via reverse decision at 9:25; Flair had originally won the match via pinfall after hitting Hogan with a pair of brass knuckles, handed to him by Perfect (Greatest Wrestling Stars of the 90s)

Yup, that's the one. Caught it on a YouTube video that was a compilation of Flair vignettes and matches that went from Flair's debut to winning the 1992 Royal Rumble.

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Prime Time Wrestling - 1/20/92: WWF IC Champion Bret Hart fought Ted Dibiase (w/ Sensational Sherri) to a 20-minute time-limit draw at 19:06 as Hart chased Sherri around ringside and into the ring; late in the bout, as Dibiase had Hart in the Million $ Dream, Sherri ran over and rang the time keeper's bell which resulted in the match pausing until referee Earl Hebner ordered the match to continue; after the bout, Dibiase attempted to attack Hart with the title belt but was clotheslined to the floor

Disappointed to see Ted going for the IC title here. That title was surely beneath him.

 

But Chad, look: the JJ Dillon finish!!

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That really is a finish to clever to not be lifted.

IIRC Scott Steiner vs A Quebecker had a similar finish w/ Polo ringing the bell.

 

I believe Undertaker/Austin had a similar finish as well on a '97 PPV with Brian Pillman ringing the bell.
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