Extreme Rules

[El-P]

All that is all well and good, but don't you think the story would be a tad more compelling and exciting if Cena didn't already beat Brock once ? And the question would be : "Can John Cena be the man who will finally defeat the monster and save the WWE Universe ?" as opposed to "Cena is back, we know he beat Lesnar on his first try, game over."

[cm funk]

Perhaps, but I don't see anything fundamentally wrong with the direction they appear to be going in. If Cena is so broken from the match that he's off TV for months while Brock is beating everybody, that's all people are going to remember.

 

Also, and I'm not sure if WWE would do this, you can have Cena come back, lose to Brock, and The Undertaker becomes the last hope of stopping him.

[El-P]

Perhaps, but I don't see anything fundamentally wrong with the direction they appear to be going in. If Cena is so broken from the match that he's off TV for months while Brock is beating everybody, that's all people are going to remember.

The last image on the PPV wasn't Cena carried out because he was destroyed despite winning the match (like Taker was at Mania last year), the last image of the PPV was Cena cutting a half-shooty promo thanking the fans and telling them they can drive home safely. I mean, I understand the reasonning, but it doesn't appear at all that in the end Cena was busted up by Brock. Cena was standing on his own like he always does after winning a hard fought match.

[Dylan Waco]

Cena was covered in blood with his arm dangling as if it was unusable by his side.

[MikeCampbell]

Lesnar doesn't have a history of refusing to do jobs, does he?

Only once that I know of, he refused to lose the IWGP Title to Tanahashi in 2006. Of course, that's provided you trust Mrs. Scott Norton.

[Robert S]

Why would Lesnar have issues to do business anyway ? He's getting millions, and he doesn't care much about pro-wrestling to begin with. Lesnar doesn't have a history of refusing to do jobs, does he ?

The question is not if Lesnar is willing to do a job or not but if he insists (or suggests) on doing it and the booking team / Vince takes that into consideration when booking the result of last night's PPV main event.

[El-P]

Cena was covered in blood with his arm dangling as if it was unusable by his side.

I'm glad he was selling his arm still, it would have been infuriating if he didn't, but it's not like he looked destroyed. As far as being covered in blood, he was covered in blood after his last man standing match against Umaga from RR07 too. Look at the post match of this one, it's not much different at all.

[Victator]

And the problem with that is? Umaga was still a viable monster main eventer for months until HHH got a hold of him.

[El-P]

And the problem with that is ?

Some people argue Cena looked like he lost the war despite winning the match, and that the post match was comparable to HHH vs Taker from last year. I disagree and that is why.

 

Umaga was still a viable monster main eventer for months until HHH got a hold of him.

That is not the point. I don't think it will kill Lesnar of course, but I don't buy the argument that Cena looked like he lost the war just because he was standing bloodied after the match. We've seen that in the past with other Cena opponents who weren't special. Point is, if Cena wins the match, at least have him slaughter him afterward.

[Tim Evans]

Just to change the topic a little bit, I'm interested in Loss's thoughts on Sheamus/Bryan and Jericho/Punk? I really liked both matches although Jericho/Punk was kinda sloppy but worked.

[Loss]

Need to watch the show, but I'm looking forward to seeing the top three matches.

[NintendoLogic]

Just gonna throw something out here...Lesnar also lost his first, much-hyped, MMA fight.

Do you think Dana White would have booked Brock to lose if he could control the outcomes?

[Loss]

By the same token, if Vince had no control over outcomes, would he want Brock to win?

[Bix]

If Vince McMahon and Dana White could turn Brock Lesnar into a tree, what type of tree would they choose?

[gordi]

If Vince McMahon and Dana White could turn Brock Lesnar into a tree, what type of tree would they choose?

 

Either the Angolan sauntering tree, because that would make a good match-up for The Great Khali, or the Deku Tree because, you know, who doesn't want to be able to fly?

[Guest Slickster]

If Vince McMahon and Dana White could turn Brock Lesnar into a tree, what type of tree would they choose?

[Phil Schneider]

I am not saying that if you disagree you are an idiot. I was saying that the people I think are idiots and the people who disagree seem to completely overlap.

[Matt D]

If Vince McMahon and Dana White could turn Brock Lesnar into a tree, what type of tree would they choose?

Great, now I will have to come up with some bullshit response to my wife for why I'm laughing at the computer.

[jdw]

Just gonna throw something out here...Lesnar also lost his first, much-hyped, MMA fight.

Brock lost his *second* much hyped MMA match.

 

He actually won his first MMA match. Unless we're rewriting history.

 

John

[kjh]

To be fair, next to no-one watched his K-1 debut.

[Log]

Just gonna throw something out here...Lesnar also lost his first, much-hyped, MMA fight.

Brock lost his *second* much hyped MMA match.

 

He actually won his first MMA match. Unless we're rewriting history.

 

John

 

Sorry. Should've said first UFC fight.

[jdw]

I'm wondering if in a few months this match will be looked at as a "We'll always have Paris" moment.

 

John

[MikeCampbell]

PWInsider is saying that Brock had a fit backstage because he thought Cena double crossed him with the promo afterwards, and the plan was supposed to be Cena getting carried out on a stretcher, so the impression was that Cena won the battle and Brock won the war.

[Log]

I'm wondering if in a few months this match will be looked at as a "We'll always have Paris" moment.

 

John

That's kind of the pattern of WWE for the last couple of years. Post-Wrestlemania/early summer they do something really different and cool that piques everyone's interest. In '10, it was Nexxus. In '11, it was Punk. This year it's Lesnar. It looks like they're doing something different finally and I get all excited. It usually last until about Summerslam, then slides downhill to Survivor Series. By about Royal Rumble time, things start to get a little interesting again leading to Mania. Rinse. Repeat.

[Johnny Sorrow]

Anyone watch this in the presence of super casual fans? I'm curious what the masses thought of a main event that sounds like it was worked in a different style.

Watched it with my roomies, who aren't fans but have come to appreciate it over the years. My one roomie, Janette, was horrified during Cena/ Lesnar. She kept gasping and turning away from the "real" violence..ie: the stiff shots and utter beatdown of Cena. My other three pals were more like, "Shit..we know this is fake, but these guys are beating the fuck out of each other. This is awesome." However, Janette almost left the room." it was a fun night.