Loss Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 Jericho seems very in tune with that criticism of him now, so I expect him to get a few wins in this program even if Bray wins in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheapshot Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 I cannot believe in hindsight that the Fandango push and win over Jericho just wasn't really capitalised on. Bit of a waste all in all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 Jericho came back to work with Ryback but they changed it on him at the last minute and gave him Fandango. I don't think they really even planned to give Fandango a big push out of the gate it was just something they did because they soured on Ryback and just plugged someone else into his spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomethingSavage Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 To be fair, it did look like they originally planned to elevate Fandango - at least to the IC Title status. Granted. That's not a huge shove, but it was something. Sure seemed like he was primed to take the spot with Wade and Miz in the Triple Threat last year. But Fandango was injured, so the moment passed, and the nod went to Axel instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 People that Jericho has put over don't have the greatest record in WWE. I remember when Jericho tried to elevate Bourne in a mini feud but that lead to nowhere (although he was Cena's pal for a few weeks IIRC), then he tried with Ziggler, then Fandango...not blaming Jericho at all but it goes to show you how little importance the company gives to someone beating him. He did put over Cena before anyone though, he has that on his resume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 Problem with that is the concept is usually predicated on the fact he was once a dominant personality in his career when in fact...he wasn't ever put in such a position. Compare that to what Triple H has been doing this year-losing to Daniel Bryan in a major Mania match and losing convincingly to the Shield on back to back pay per views after a career of neverending domination. It is more startling what Triple H has been doing this year. Jericho? Not at all anywhere close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 Remember 3-4 months ago when the criticism was that Bryan wasn't drawing enough as a headliner? The other tour opened on 6/21 in Reading, PA, before 3,000 fans. 6/22 in Newark, DE, drew 2,000 fans. The Blue tour crowds are noticeably down without Bryan headlining and with Orton and the former Shield as the top guys. It's even worse now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steenalized Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 So Bryan is a draw, but not a good one, but still better than anyone not named John Cena? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bierschwale Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 It all must be Ambrose's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 Although I was apathetic towards him for quite some time, I'm feeling this Swagger Vs. Rusev feud. I think the crowds are digging it too. Lana & Zeb will obviously have a big part in it as well. Maybe WWE lucked into something. I feel like the crowds have been wanting to cheer Zeb/Swagger because of the "We the People" stuff for awhile now. I'm sure it will just lead to another Rusev win at Battleground in two weeks but maybe WWE will prove me wrong. Not saying Rusev shouldn't win but it would be nice to keep them away from each other, physically, and just build the match up for Summerslam instead to make it a bigger deal. Since Zeb has been doing the "Deportation List" thing for awhile now, having him & Swagger not like Rusev & Lana makes sense, I just didn't think it would happen since Swagger & Rusev were both working heel. Glad to see I was wrong there. I think Swagger will work better as a babyface too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomethingSavage Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 Swagger has been so hit or miss for such a long time. I'm glad to see them at least make an effort to freshen him up and give him a substantial run again. The babyface shtick could shine him up a bit, and I sincerely hope they intend to keep Zeb attached to the act for the long haul. Dirty Dutch is just as efficient a mouthpiece, regardless of WHO he's opposing on the front-line. Swagger's had good matches with aerial workers - Rey, Kofi, Evan Bourne, and even going back to Kaval. He's had some fun hoss-offs with Big E, Cena, Sheamus, Taker, and others to his credit also. Heck, he's been putting out quality matches since his ECW run. So I certainly think he's salvageable. I just hope they don't pigeonhole him with the patriotic stuff. If they play it straight, keep it creative, and maybe even approach some of the mishaps of the past with an open mind - I think this could take him pretty far, to be perfectly honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 wrestlinginc.com - We noted before that WWE cameras were going to be filming Jerry Lawler around this past weekend and filming an indie match against Scott Steiner, likely for a future Lawler DVD set. Lawler told fans at the Florida Supercon this weekend that WWE cameras will be filming at his home soon, following a day in his life and will later be going over some of the Memphis Wrestling footage and history. Lawler indicated that WWE is planning a DVD on his career or something separate on Memphis Wrestling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 So Bryan is a draw, but not a good one, but still better than anyone not named John Cena? Dave did the same thing with Punk, talked about how much he wasn't drawing, but would then talk about how shows drew disappointing numbers without him and that sort of thing. I never understood it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 So Bryan is a draw, but not a good one, but still better than anyone not named John Cena? Dave did the same thing with Punk, talked about how much he wasn't drawing, but would then talk about how shows drew disappointing numbers without him and that sort of thing. I never understood it. Yup, you could see it coming from a mile away too. His coverage of Bryan from January to March was almost identical to Punk's first months on top in 11-12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cox Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 Who has less patience with new headliners on top, Dave Meltzer or WWE? Sure seems like it's Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steenalized Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 So Bryan is a draw, but not a good one, but still better than anyone not named John Cena? Dave did the same thing with Punk, talked about how much he wasn't drawing, but would then talk about how shows drew disappointing numbers without him and that sort of thing. I never understood it. Dave's really bad about comparing the top guy of the secondary tour to the top guy of the primary tour. It's not exactly a ceteris paribus comparison between Cena and Bryan/Punk when one guy gets to main event a house show in say, Toronto, and the other gets Buffalo or Erie. He declared Bryan a poor draw before he ever had a chance, though his recent comments go back on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Who on the roster is actually less over than Kane? I can think of Miz and ADR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steenalized Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Most of the women Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Considering they don't really even promote the house shows with what matches are gonna happen or they run radio ads promoting "Come see this guy " even after those guys are hurt and not around, the idea that wrestlers are draws for house shows is passé. I just went to a house show on Saturday that still was being promoted on the radio with spots saying "See Daniel Bryan!" and there were people there saying "Is Cena gonna be here?" They promote the name WWE. Shit, apparently on the website they eventually said the show was gonna have Ambrose vs Rollins and a main event of Shaeumus vs Kane Last Man Standing and it was actually Shaemus vs Del Rio. And the place wasn't sold out. But if it was a RAW 20 minutes away in Denver than it'd have been sold out quick. Even the house shows Im Denver sell out. So basically, Judging guys by how house shows draw is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Completely and totally disagree with Johnny. If house show drawing was meaningless than you would expect parity between Cena and non-Cena shows. The problem is that doesn't happen, and often times it's not close at all. I suppose you could argue the promotion is weaker some places than others, or that Cena gets to work bigger markets (probably true on average, but I'm not sure how it would look over the long haul), but this year there has been a clear and obvious difference between Cena headlined shows and non-Cena headlined shows. The idea that this is some strange string of fluke occurrences strikes me as really naive. I get Johnny's point that they lie in advertising, and the brand is pushed more, but the evidence I see both in terms of results, local advertising (not just here either, but in Chattanooga as well which is a vastly different market than Charleston), live reactions, merchandise sales, et. is that Cena is still a clear house show draw above and beyond anyone else in the company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 YO ucan also compensate for the smaller venues by using percentage (capacity vs. actual attendance) instead of actual numbers. Cornette made that point when comparing his B show run to Dusty's A show run in his Midnight Express book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 What I'm saying is that no one was really advertised for this show I was at. At the end of the day it was "COME SEE THE WWE!" I saw Cena vs Del Rio at a house show here 4 years ago that didn't sell out and wasn't advertised either. It's all "COME SEE WWE!" But if they play the Pepsi Center they sell out. So how can we accurately judge what wrestler draws based on who's actually there? Cena drew people to the show I was at and he wasn't even advertised. I've been to shows where people thought Rey was gonna be there based on the fact that he works for WWE. By the way, the house show I saw Saturday? The Rollins/ Ambrose match was amazing and Shaemus/ Del Rio LMS was fucking awesome. And Big E is super over with the kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Every single show I've gone to in the last decade has been heavily advertised with multiple names and even matches mentioned via t.v., radio and even sometimes print. These shows were in six different cities, in four different states. I do echo that Big E was really over with kids when I saw him on a house show earlier this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cross Face Chicken Wing Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Whenever WWE house shows come to the Twin Cities, specific matches and wrestlers are heavily advertised, mainly on the area rock radio station and during in-arena promos during sporting events. EDIT: The last time I went to Raw, two specific dark matches were also heavily advertised. If I remember correctly, the two dark matches were even printed on the ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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