shoe Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Totally enjoying the Cesaro/Kidd tag team so far on the B shows. Throw out the Usos, Dust Bros, MizDow, and maybe throw in a Neville and a partner you could have a preshow match, and a match on the ppv and get at least a year out of the division. I know i'm dreaming, but it wouldn't hurt the quality of the cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 So Bryan mentioned on the Sunday B&V show that Kevin Dunn hates accents and that was the main reason Adam Rose got buried in WWE. That doesn't bode well for Adrian Neville, Finn Balor, and Becky Lynch. I wonder if that's why they did the whole NJPW entrance/Carnage facepaint with Balor in NXT to make it hard to justify another Dunn burial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 That Show/Reigns match, while maybe not being too significant in the scheme of things, isn't the best indication for Reigns' push. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 I'm an admitted sucker for inventive counters to Cena's routine stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerpride Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 I really don't understand why they keep jobbing Ambrose. It's getting ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 I heard the theory being advanced that they're jobbing Ambrose out to keep another Daniel Bryan situation from happening when they give Reigns the Rumble win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bierschwale Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 It's hard to not think that's part of the motivation. At this point, I just think that he's the highest-tiered JTTS. But they're kind of making Ziggler into a cause celebre to counter Reigns, whether they realize it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 Even if that's NOT what's going on, I kind of hope people spread it around like it is so that the Philly crowd can revolt over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Liska Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 They wouldn't end the show with Ambrose on top if that's what they were doing. He just needs to stop feuding with heels they have big future plans for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 Well, Ambrose did beat Wyatt at Tribute to the Troops, a show nobody watches and a match that was never mentioned by the announcers tonight..... Yeah, it's ridiculous how he's yet to win any important match. I know they thing they're protecting him with all the wacky gimmick finishes, but it's not working Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 For someone who is supposed to be getting a rocket attached to him they sure made Reigns look like crap tonight. The strange WWE internal logic of "if you are pushing a big guy he must go up against other big guys right away to make him stronger" was in full effect. I like him more than most but he isn't ready for this kind of monster push yet. I doubt the fans revolt but I don't think he will be the most over face on the roster or anything. the way they are positioning Dolph they better be careful or the crowds are going to expect him to get pushed "for real" this time. I don't think Ambrose is dead but he is significantly less over than he was last summer when he was probably getting the biggest pops on the show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbo Slice Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 For a company that knows how to book ahead so far in advance, having the Rumble in fucking PHILLY of all places really is hilarious. Everything they do in that show is gonna blow up in their face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 a report from a fan in attendance sent rajah a note that Wyatt was rushed to the hospital after the show went of the air. From the way he worded the situation it doesn't seem to be a work After Monday's WWE RAW went off the air, Dean Ambrose and Bray Wyatt continued to brawl. Ambrose brought another table out, which led to Wyatt offering a handshake. Ambrose hit him with Dirty Deeds instead and then put him on the table. Ambrose climbed a ladder and dove onto Wyatt, which got a huge pop from the crowd. Referees checked on Wyatt, who indicated that he was injured. After being tended to by medical staff, he was eventually taken out of the arena and ambulance. Wyatt was then transported to Hennepin County Medical Center in Minneapolis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 I feel like I'm almost done reading other boards at this point. It's just ridiculous to me after every Raw to read a dozen people claim Vince McMahon needs to be forced out so HHH can take over and make Raw just like NXT. Besides the fact that I find NXT to be highly over rated, a lot of the shit that works in NXT doesn't work on the national stage. Does anyone think the Vaudevillians is an act that would work on Raw? The NXT iMPACT Zone loved Adam Rose and his entourage entrance but it didn't exactly make him a star on Raw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cross Face Chicken Wing Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 a report from a fan in attendance sent rajah a note that Wyatt was rushed to the hospital after the show went of the air. From the way he worded the situation it doesn't seem to be a work After Monday's WWE RAW went off the air, Dean Ambrose and Bray Wyatt continued to brawl. Ambrose brought another table out, which led to Wyatt offering a handshake. Ambrose hit him with Dirty Deeds instead and then put him on the table. Ambrose climbed a ladder and dove onto Wyatt, which got a huge pop from the crowd. Referees checked on Wyatt, who indicated that he was injured. After being tended to by medical staff, he was eventually taken out of the arena and ambulance. Wyatt was then transported to Hennepin County Medical Center in Minneapolis. There always seems to be at least one injury at every Raw in Minneapolis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 The Dolph push does sort of strike me as something they don't realize they are doing. As soon as they figure out that they have him on a pretty good winning streak, they will cool him off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 WWE booking is so disjointed and bizarre. They push Jack Swagger massively as a threat to Rusev over the summer and a month or two later he is jobbing in a few minutes to Fandango...another guy who got a huge push for a few months before jobbing to the entire roster in short, pointless television matches. This ridiculous pattern of events happens again and again and again. Someone like Dolph Ziggler is a prime example of someone who is pushed as a big star one month and then jobs every week to nobodies the next. The inconsistency is appalling. Ryback? Exactly the same. Dean Ambrose is going to have a hard time becoming a top guy. The promo material they give him is utterly appalling - he has gone from this wild, natural character to someone putting on contrived facial expressions and exaggerated mannerisms and reading an awful script. Nothing feels believable anymore. Doesn't help that he is stuck with the heat pit that is Bray Wyatt - his matches are almost always met with silence (or 'a hushed aura' as Michael Cole might put it). It is made worse by the fact that he is almost always in gimmick matches, where the fan is are usually silent anyway until the big dives and weapon shots come into play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Liska Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 WWE booking is so disjointed and bizarre. They push Jack Swagger massively as a threat to Rusev over the summer and a month or two later he is jobbing in a few minutes to Fandango...another guy who got a huge push for a few months before jobbing to the entire roster in short, pointless television matches. This ridiculous pattern of events happens again and again and again. Someone like Dolph Ziggler is a prime example of someone who is pushed as a big star one month and then jobs every week to nobodies the next. The inconsistency is appalling. Ryback? Exactly the same. I don't think it's that baffling. They build up guys as threats to Rusev so it's impressive when Rusev cleanly beats them. It's not that they had big plans for Swagger, they just got him hot for a bit so people would be mad when Rusev won. Same thing with Ryback now. They gave up on him like 18 months ago, they're not building him up to headline SummerSlam, they're just heating him up to put Rusev over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 That would make sense if they didn't do it with every single of their upper mid carders every few months. It isn't just building these people up for Rusev. Swagger's last push can be perhaps explained away like that. The others? They have been pushed and depushed to baffling extremes with no consistency whatsoever. Even Jack Swagger himself went from a massive push to champion to massive depush jobbing to everyone, to massive push with Wrestlemania title match to massive depush jobbing to everyone to big push to build him up for Rusev to jobbing to jobbing to everyone. What a pointless, uncreative cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantastic Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 ^ Yes, the stop/start cyclefuck that leads to the inevitable list of:Current WWE Wrestlers Who Will Never Be WWE Champion (*Or if they have been: never again) Bad News Barrett - injury prone, victim of shitty booking Big E - no real charismatic spark, victim of shitty booking Chris Jericho - too old, not as over anymoreChristian - too old, injury proneCody Rhodes - victim of shitty booking, tag team wrestler typecasting, comedy actCurtis Axel - too old, wooden act Damien Sandow - victim of shitty booking, comedy act Darren Young - no real charismatic spark, wooden act David Otunga - no real charismatic spark, wooden act Diego - wooden act, comedy actErick Rowan - "a Jannetty", victim of shitty booking (breaking up the Wyatts prematurely)Fandango - victim of shitty bookingFernando - wooden act, comedy act Goldust - too old, comedy actHeath Slater - victim of shitty booking, comedy act, personal troublesJack Swagger - victim of shitty bookingJey Uso - tag team wrestler typecasting, non-main eventer styleJimmy Uso - tag team wrestler typecasting, non-main eventer styleJustin Gabriel - no real charismatic spark, non-main eventer styleKane - too old, not as over anymoreKofi Kingston - victim of shitty booking, non-main eventer styleLuke Harper - victim of shitty booking (breaking up the Wyatts prematurely), too oldMark Henry - too old, not as over anymore, years of shitty bookingThe Miz - not as over anymore, victim of shitty booking, comedy actR Truth - too old, comedy actRey Mysterio - too old, injury prone, not as over anymore, too smallSin Cara - too old, no real charismatic spark, non-main eventer style, too small Titus O'Neil - wooden act, victim of shitty bookingTyson Kidd - victim of shitty booking, not as over anymore, non-main eventer style, too smallXavier Woods - wooden act, no real charismatic sparkZack Ryder - comedy act, victim of shitty booking, disliked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 Not really sure what the point of that list is. Every wrestling promotion everywhere has guys who can't be the top singles champion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantastic Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 Not really sure what the point of that list is. Every wrestling promotion everywhere has guys who can't be the top singles champion. Since none of those guys are not likely to win the WWE Championship, they will probably never be a fixture in the main event, hell most of them probably won't ever touch upon a main event program. The main event is all that matters in WWE when it's all said and done, as soon as something gets too entertaining that isn't intended for the main event, it's usually shut down or ruined. And because of that, and how the main eventers receive the best booking and storyline priorities, it's very likely that the frustrations of nonsensical booking and start/stop pushes for the guys in that list (many of whom can be, and are entertaining) will continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 Miz will get another run eventually, mark my words. Might be a late career twilight JBL run, but he'll get it. Like him or not, he's a fantastic spokesperson for the company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantastic Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 Did Miz actually draw as champion? It seems to me that people were paying to see Orton, Cena, Rock, etc. He didn't actually headline a PPV as champion until Wrestlemania XXVII, which was all about Rock and Cena anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 What's a Coral? As for Bray, I think a lot of the problem is that the message is off. He's not the sort of guy that can just try to win matches for the sake of it. He has to have a compelling purpose. With Bryan, it was about subverting the Yes Movement. With Cena (which really should have probably been built to over another year before it happened) it was about destroying the hypocrisy involved in "Rise Above Hate" and showing Cena that he was really no better than anyone else, a false idol. With Jericho, I have no idea. Ambrose isn't much better. Maybe he's trying to channel the primal chaos that Ambrose is tapping into or something? I don't know. That's a problem though. Also, while he wins matches, and even feuds, he doesn't actually accomplish what he set out to do most of the time. Alternatively, part of why Rusev is so successful is that the message is real clear. He is the Superior Athlete and he will prove it again and again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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