Dylan Waco Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 I forgive you, but only because of your avatar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 The Rumble match was very good. Very well worked. I've always been a Cena fan, but I hated his promo on the last Raw so much that I really can't stand him right now. I was pulling for Ryback at the end. My wife picked #19 in the pool where we watched the show and won $65, so that was cool (I had Tensai and, of course, Kane). I also thought the finish to Punk-Rock was uninspired and a pretty anticlimactic end to Punk's run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 The Punk-Rock finish felt weirdly familiar...have they done "Rock wins with the People's Elbow after a restart" before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 I forgot, Punk taking the cover of the Spanish announce table and replacing it with a bow to the announcers was fucking hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 The Punk-Rock finish felt weirdly familiar...have they done "Rock wins with the People's Elbow after a restart" before? Rock won after a restart against Chris Benoit at Fully Loaded 2000, but it was with a Rock Bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mini Bennett Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 The Rumble match was really well-paced. Everyone who needed to perform did so and more. I am belligerently sticking to my guns that this was one of the best Royal Rumble matches ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boon Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 I really enjoyed the rumble, at points it did seem rushed, but like others have said with a 90 second interval, it ha to be. I popped for Goldust, would of love to have seen a Bionic Elbow from Cody to elimate him. Jericho looked fantastic in there and hopefully we get some more interaction with him and Ziggler, maybe a 3 way at Mania for with Del Rio. Bryan and Kane spot was good, thought they could of been used a bit better in the rumble itself. The sequence leading to Jericho being elimated was awesome, his fighting spirit to batter everyone only to be tossed out was excellent. I suppose Cena winning is the plan and as people have said the plan was for the rematch for the title. I don't think will see the Rock after Mania so this give him a little run as champion before Mania, will he be in the chamber? I doubt it but I suppose he'll have to be now. Can't see a rematch for with Punk? Because no doubt they'll have 2 chamer matches? So if the title isn't up for grabs in one of them then it's pointless to have two? We have two number one contenders now (Dolph and Cena) two newly crowned champions (Del Rio and Rock) even if Dolph isn't involved in one of the title matches then it at mania we still only need one contender so one chamber match? Maybe I've read to much into it? Prediction for Mania card... Taker Vs Punk Trips Vs Brock Rock Vs Cena Dolph Vs Del Rio maybe Vs Jericho Rhodes and Shadow Vs Goldust and Dusty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 I didn't really like the Rumble that much this year. It just felt so paint by the numbers. Almost every single guy that came in starts with some big flurry, everyone bumps for him and then they settle into killing time until the next entry. Outside of the Kofi spot and the Daniel Bryan/Kane eliminations there weren't that many interesting spots. And there weren't any big time "oh man THESE TWO are facing off" confrontations. Plus this year it really felt like Cena was the only possible winner, I never thought they'd go with Ryback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 I honestly can't believe anyone could like that finish. I literally find that astounding to the point where I can't imagine what anyone who liked that finish would think a bad finish would look like. The ONLY thing I liked about it was the look on Rock's face when he demanded it not end that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 The more I think about it, Chris Jericho returning from a five-month layoff to work 45 minutes in his first match back - and do a great job of it - may be the most impressive thing he has ever done. He deserves big praise for what he did last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 He certainly was great in the Rumble match. Off the top of my head the only performance of his I would compare to it would be the broken arm SMW match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 The more I think about it, Chris Jericho returning from a five-month layoff to work 45 minutes in his first match back - and do a great job of it - may be the most impressive thing he has ever done. He deserves big praise for what he did last night. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaZLu6OAzmQ I thought this was actually a pretty good post-Rumble promo from him too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Cooke Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Dustin's slam into the post from the apron bump to be eliminated from the Rumble was incredible. Best bump for a Rumble elimination that I have seen. Dusty/Dustin vs. Cody/Sandow at WM would be cool. Even Booker/Dustin vs Rhodes/Sandow would be cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Dustin's slam into the post from the apron bump to be eliminated from the Rumble was incredible. Best bump for a Rumble elimination that I have seen. Dusty/Dustin vs. Cody/Sandow at WM would be cool. Even Booker/Dustin vs Rhodes/Sandow would be cool. Check out Slaughter's bump on the way out in '92. I rewatched this yesterday as part of the '92 yearbook and thought it was the craziest bump in the match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Haven't seen it, but I actually like how the finish reads. Punk get help from his heel buddies, screws over Rock to "win". Vince goes to strip him, but Rock gets the face moment of wanting to beat him. Restart, Rock wins with his moves. Works for me. We all know the long time plan had been Punk --> Rock at Rumble than Rock vs Cena at Mania. Read like they delivered it. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kostka Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Rock winning clean would ignore the Shield denial stuff. Punk paid off the Shield to help him in title matches, Vince tells him if they interfere, he's stripped. Punk has the lights shut off so that they can help him without being "caught", Vince comes out to strip him, Rock demands to beat Punk like a man. I think it sounds better in theory than execution, but like jdw said, it got us where we need to be for the next step, while tying the angle together with the Shield. I never like "the lights shut off" angles, but it made sense here even if I wasn't in love with its execution. The match itself was pretty underwhelming. Rocks rust was glaring and Punk seemed disinterested. The Rumble had some great shit (Goldust; Team Hell No friendship test spot), and Show/ADR was MOTN. Good show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Log Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 One thing I did like about the 'lights out' thing was that the announcers (Cole, at least) acknowledged that it was obviously Shield. With all the flashes going off, it would be obvious to someone sitting that close to the attack who did it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 We should start calling him Iceman King Punk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 No butt bump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cox Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Haven't seen it, but I actually like how the finish reads. Punk get help from his heel buddies, screws over Rock to "win". Vince goes to strip him, but Rock gets the face moment of wanting to beat him. Restart, Rock wins with his moves. Works for me. We all know the long time plan had been Punk --> Rock at Rumble than Rock vs Cena at Mania. Read like they delivered it. John I don't think anybody is complaining about Punk losing, or even the Shield interference, but more that Punk beat on Rock for most of 15 minutes straight, and then loses to the spinebuster/People's Elbow. It just felt flat watching the match. I still thought the match was good, but the finish could have been a lot better for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kostka Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 I don't see the problem with that lay out. Punk worked the mid section. Punk tweaked his leg a bit and Rock targeted it, home stretch, dusty finish, restart, face hits finisher, wins title. WWE with strong face vs weaker heel is nothing new. The People's Elbow put down a fuck ton of guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Haven't seen it, but I actually like how the finish reads. Punk get help from his heel buddies, screws over Rock to "win". Vince goes to strip him, but Rock gets the face moment of wanting to beat him. Restart, Rock wins with his moves. Works for me. We all know the long time plan had been Punk --> Rock at Rumble than Rock vs Cena at Mania. Read like they delivered it. John It's not a secret that I would have preferred Punk retain, since I think he needs the belt and/or a meaningful match at Mania and there is no way in hell Punk v. Taker has any intrigue and value at all without the title given the scenario. But that's not why I hated the finish. I hated the finish because everyone comes out of it looking like complete trash. Punk looks like a loser and a pussy. If he had lost straight up in the context of an "epic" match you could at least say competitive and lost in the midst of a war. Instead he got his licks in, was getting his ass kicked, his buddies saved him, then there was a restart after The Rock had been "destroyed," then he lost after exactly two offensive moves, one of which takes about fifteen to twenty seconds to execute. I'm rarely the guy who will argue for more near falls in a match, but this is an instance where near falls would have given Punk a chance to leave looking decent. Instead he looked like dog shit and I can't imagine how they are going to try and make him look even semi-credible against Taker assuming they go that route. If they actually have him end The Streak after this (highly unlikely, but a remote possibility), it will mean less as it will just seem phony as fuck even by the standards of a phony as fuck business. My guess is he gets plugged into a Triple Threat with Rock and Cena, which at least keeps him in main events, but is something I have zero interest in watching. Of course at this point I have zero interest in watching The Rock, and it's possible a triple threat might hide the fact that he has trouble breathing and occupying space at the same time, but fuck a triple threat. The Shield looked stupid and ineffective. The turning out the lights bit made sense and was actually something I predicted in a conversation with someone earlier in the week. But then it was all shot to shit. Triple powerbomb spot they use - especially through a table - has been the most protected spot in the company in a long time, possibly since Orton's punt. It couldn't even keep Rock down long enough for Vince to strip Punk of the title. Worse yet if Punk was going to get stripped anyhow on a presumption why didn't The Shield just come out again and kick the fuck out of The Rock again? Up until this point they've been portrayed as both dangerous and cunning. After last night they came across as mildly harmful and idiotic. Rock looked like a guy who was just getting favors from the boss. As it stood the crowd was extremely split last night and if anything it seemed like a pro-Punk crowd. I will grant that the Attitude Era style finish got them behind Rock for the big moment, but that's to be expected when you are virtually guaranteeing a title switch. But here you have a guy that calls his shots, gets a title shot for no reason in the first place, loses under the cover of darkness, then the boss comes out and gives him unprecedented powers to restart his own match. It reminded me of the tourney they did for the title after Punk bolted, where Rey won, then Cena got a title shot he didn't earn the same night after the final and won the belt. Just a total "special treatment for special people" bit and while it may be something that only matters to me, I'm not certain that's the case. You should have seen the look on my ten year olds face when I was trying to explain the finish to he this morning and she LOATHES Punk. I fucking HATED the finish to HITC with Punk/Ryback and couldn't imagine a worse ppv finish, but I thought this was EASILY worse at least to my eyes. I care less about the key players and Mania now than I have at any point I can remember after a Rumble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 I don't see Rock as someone who got favors from the boss. There was a clear miscarriage of justice. Vince wanted to enforce the letter of the law, but Rock insisted on having a clear winner and loser, thus running the risk of him leaving empty-handed and Punk getting away scot-free. That's a classic babyface move. I also don't see how the triple powerbomb wasn't protected. Punk pinned Rock 1-2-3 after taking forever to roll him into the ring. That's HHH-pinning-Booker levels of protection. Were you expecting Rock to do a stretcher job? Again, though, I suspect that this is a way to hold the title up and have Rock try to win it again at Elimination Chamber. My initial thought was that if they wanted to prolong Rock's title chase, they should've just had Punk retain by whatever means. But I suppose they wanted to send the fans home happy while still screwing them over in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Punk looks like a loser and a pussy. He's a heel champ and I bet one can find a dozen pussy and loser things he's done in his 400+ days a champ. Okay... probably two dozen. The Shield looked stupid and ineffective. They're heel lackies of Punk who have been fucking over Punk's opponents since Survivors. This was their payback: their plan to help Punk defeated Rock "worked"... but Vince wouldn't let it stand, it didn't work. Heels get fucked after fucking faces. Pro Wrestling 101. Rock looked like a guy who was just getting favors from the boss. Vince: "I'm going to strip Punk of the title due to The Shield fucking up the match." Rock: "Wait a fucking minute, Vince. Don't strip him. They tried to fuck me out out my shot at winning the title. I want to beat his fucking ass... restart the fucking match!" Vince: "You got balls the size of grapefruits, Rock, for wanting to continue the match after the ass kicking that The Shield and Punk just gave you. I respect that... I'm going to restart the match!" That ain't a favor. Heels fucked up a main event yet again to fuck over the face(s). Vince has had enough of it, and is going to strip Punk of the title which would hurt Punk because he really loves the egofuck of the long reign. Rock doesn't want his chance at the title fucked up because of the heels, and asks for a restart. Good god... this is total babyface shit. The Shield's (and Punk & Heyman's) Grand Plan fails, and Rock keeps his chance at winning the title (and does it). Great shit. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 I wasn't expecting Rock to do a stretcher job, because I wasn't expecting a finish to be that idiotic and awful on every level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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