hammerva Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 I wonder how much of the hate on Miz is how he got into the business and not his ability in the ring. The Miz was just some guy from reality TV that loved wresting and won Tough Enough. He wasn't a former football player. His experience on the indies was very very limited. he didn't come up in the business like most. I always look at Cornette this way. It is hard to respect his current views on the business when he thinks guys like Mike Bennett and Matt Morgan are/were great prospects and Sami Zayn and Kevin Steen sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 I think the issue is not so much a problem with Miz, but that it perpetuates the belief that it's not that hard to be a wrestler, and that they aren't really tough guys after all since even a scrawny reality star was able to get into it and be successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlingPower Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 If you want to hear a detailed discussion on the early days of SMW's business that doubles as a rant on Tim Horner, this week's show is for you. That discussion alone is like 10+ minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakeplastictrees Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 I think the issue is not so much a problem with Miz, but that it perpetuates the belief that it's not that hard to be a wrestler, and that they aren't really tough guys after all since even a scrawny reality star was able to get into it and be successful. Which I find completely weird. Cornette, and others, will praise MMA and be quick to say pro wrestling could learn a thing from MMA, but then these same guys ignore the fact that people like Royce Gracie exist and were kicking ass back in the day. The biggest draws in combat sports (Anderson Silva, Ronda Rousey, Manny, Money Mayweather) all look like whimps if you really think about it. Yet, these people are kicking ass and taking names. It just amazes me that some pro wrestling fans see Money Mayweather is one of the baddest men on the planet who can probably stand-to-toe with some of the best in the heavyweight division, but think that Rey Mysterio beating The Big Show fair-and-square is a little to out-of-the-realm of possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 I love Cornette the performer (and even the SMW promoter) but he really isn't worth anything from a creative point of view. When he went back to OVW, he should have named it SMW Redux. Nothing felt fresh or new in the company. it all felt old and tired. It was fun but it wasn't original. He eneds to stick to telling old stories and collaborating on cool wrestling history books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 Then he did the same thing 10 years later and it was even older and more tired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 Cornette's most impressive work creatively (not knowing what specific angles he was involved in with his WCW and WWE booking team gigs at least) was probably when he was driven insane trying to fix the Doug Basham-Damaja feud when WWE called them up as the Basham Brothers tag team. He actually made a coherent storyline out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKWildcat Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 If you want to hear a detailed discussion on the early days of SMW's business that doubles as a rant on Tim Horner, this week's show is for you. That discussion alone is like 10+ minutes. Yeah, what is the deal with Horner. I've seen a couple of Cornette shoots, but never recall the Horner hate. Anyone have the story? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKWildcat Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 Cornette's most impressive work creatively (not knowing what specific angles he was involved in with his WCW and WWE booking team gigs at least) was probably when he was driven insane trying to fix the Doug Basham-Damaja feud when WWE called them up as the Basham Brothers tag team. He actually made a coherent storyline out of it. Agree. Being in Louisville, I was able to attend many OVW events during the time frame. I think the entire storyline with Basham, etc was well built. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlingPower Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 Listen to the show. He was very detailed about Horner, from before SMW even started, where he brought Horner into the business so as not to have Horner running random on-off shows in an area he was trying to open up. This whole part of the story I hadn't heard before. The entire rest of the story about Horner running merch, the ring truck deal, etc. was very much in line to how Jim explained it during the 1995 Fanweek Q&A. Amazing this man's memory for details 20 years later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKWildcat Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 Listen to the show. He was very detailed about Horner, from before SMW even started, where he brought Horner into the business so as not to have Horner running random on-off shows in an area he was trying to open up. This whole part of the story I hadn't heard before. The entire rest of the story about Horner running merch, the ring truck deal, etc. was very much in line to how Jim explained it during the 1995 Fanweek Q&A. Amazing this man's memory for details 20 years later. Listen to the show. He was very detailed about Horner, from before SMW even started, where he brought Horner into the business so as not to have Horner running random on-off shows in an area he was trying to open up. This whole part of the story I hadn't heard before. The entire rest of the story about Horner running merch, the ring truck deal, etc. was very much in line to how Jim explained it during the 1995 Fanweek Q&A. Amazing this man's memory for details 20 years later. Is this the live Mid Atlantic show? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadMick Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 Listen to the show. He was very detailed about Horner, from before SMW even started, where he brought Horner into the business so as not to have Horner running random on-off shows in an area he was trying to open up. This whole part of the story I hadn't heard before. The entire rest of the story about Horner running merch, the ring truck deal, etc. was very much in line to how Jim explained it during the 1995 Fanweek Q&A. Amazing this man's memory for details 20 years later. Listen to the show. He was very detailed about Horner, from before SMW even started, where he brought Horner into the business so as not to have Horner running random on-off shows in an area he was trying to open up. This whole part of the story I hadn't heard before. The entire rest of the story about Horner running merch, the ring truck deal, etc. was very much in line to how Jim explained it during the 1995 Fanweek Q&A. Amazing this man's memory for details 20 years later. Is this the live Mid Atlantic show? No, it's the following week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKWildcat Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 Thank you sir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 If you listen to the new one with Adrian Street, skip ahead to the interview. Unless you want to hear Cornette being a clueless loudmouth douchebag about Robin Williams. It was actually good to have Alice on as she calmly tried to explain what depression is. Cornette was just all, "Everyone gets depressed", "figure out who is causing you to be depressed and focus that energy on fantasizing about murdering those people", " He was rich and successful, I don't get it!" I wanted to punch my truck speakers. The Street interview is very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakeplastictrees Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 The human mind is amazing. Its amazing how we can create our own world outside of reality. We have all had that moment/day in our life were something small ruins the entire day. Its easy to forget blessings at times. I hope on next week's show Alice gets a little more platform to talk about depression. I'm not saying this needs to turn into Dr. Phil or anything- but they usually use the first 15 minutes to talk about bullshit and get the plugs in before the interview- why not switch it up and have a friendly debate/education piece on the subject of depression before rolling into the interview with Sydney Batt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadMick Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 If you listen to the new one with Adrian Street, skip ahead to the interview. Unless you want to hear Cornette being a clueless loudmouth douchebag about Robin Williams. It was actually good to have Alice on as she calmly tried to explain what depression is. Cornette was just all, "Everyone gets depressed", "figure out who is causing you to be depressed and focus that energy on fantasizing about murdering those people", " He was rich and successful, I don't get it!" I wanted to punch my truck speakers. The Street interview is very good. That sounds appalling. I never listen to Cornette pre-interview. Nor Jericho, Ross or Austin. Don't want to sound harsh, but I'm not there for their musings on life etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSR Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 If you listen to the new one with Adrian Street, skip ahead to the interview. Unless you want to hear Cornette being a clueless loudmouth douchebag about Robin Williams. It was actually good to have Alice on as she calmly tried to explain what depression is. Cornette was just all, "Everyone gets depressed", "figure out who is causing you to be depressed and focus that energy on fantasizing about murdering those people", " He was rich and successful, I don't get it!" I wanted to punch my truck speakers. The Street interview is very good. Street's shoot interview with RF is also very good and worth searching out, despite Feinstein being completely unprepared with his questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 If you listen to the new one with Adrian Street, skip ahead to the interview. Unless you want to hear Cornette being a clueless loudmouth douchebag about Robin Williams. It was actually good to have Alice on as she calmly tried to explain what depression is. Cornette was just all, "Everyone gets depressed", "figure out who is causing you to be depressed and focus that energy on fantasizing about murdering those people", " He was rich and successful, I don't get it!" I wanted to punch my truck speakers. The Street interview is very good. That sounds appalling. I never listen to Cornette pre-interview. Nor Jericho, Ross or Austin. Don't want to sound harsh, but I'm not there for their musings on life etc. Partially agree, Jericho is cringe worthy until the interview starts where he can be fantastic. I don't listen to Ross or Cornette at all. But I listen to Austin's entire episodes. Some of his rants about performance enhanced rats and finding parking spots at the grocery store are hilarious. I look forward to his BS episodes as much as I do his interviews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 Loved the Street interview except for Alice's interruptions and her horrible sense of time (Was this during Thatcher's time? No it was in the fucking 1950s you idiot) and her cringiest of cringy moments in podcast history dropping a British accent that went over like a fart in church. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Ugh. Jamie Kilstein. Skip this episode people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Did Jim actually advocate drugging and stripping someone with attitude problems right before having notable feminist/anti rape culture comedian Jamie Kilstein on the show? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlingPower Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 Jim has clearly run out of material/new ideas. Description for this week's show says it's a return of Kenny Bolin and the resurrection of a fabricated "bit" they did on the show a month or 2 ago. It was comical then, but come on, as many other podcasts are out there to listen to... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidebottom Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 For the Adrain Street fans, try and obtain a documentary Jeremy Deller made about him. I watched it at his exhibition back in 2012: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyonthewall2983 Posted September 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 If you listen to the new one with Adrian Street, skip ahead to the interview. Unless you want to hear Cornette being a clueless loudmouth douchebag about Robin Williams. It was actually good to have Alice on as she calmly tried to explain what depression is. Cornette was just all, "Everyone gets depressed", "figure out who is causing you to be depressed and focus that energy on fantasizing about murdering those people", " He was rich and successful, I don't get it!" I wanted to punch my truck speakers. The Street interview is very good. That sounds appalling. I never listen to Cornette pre-interview. Nor Jericho, Ross or Austin. Don't want to sound harsh, but I'm not there for their musings on life etc. I try to avoid pre-interview stuff on podcasts, period. Bill Burr has a podcast that is basically him ranting into a microphone, and that is way too close to talk radio for me to even entertain the idea of listening to. And I think he's hilarious and a good actor, so it's not anything against him. Sad to hear Cornette had such a narrow opinion on Williams' death, I figured he'd be a little more respectful. I believe I started this thread but I don't think I've actually listened to one of his shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruiserBrody Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 How long are the drive through Q and A bits? Is Zybysko or Sullivan providing any good radio so far? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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