Loss Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 A lot of Keirn's best singles matches probably don't exist in full on tape, but the early 80s matches with Fujinami are really excellent. The Fabulous Ones were also a great tag team with plenty of terrific matches. Keirn was very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomethingSavage Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 Yeah. I've seen plenty from the Fabs. And I agree wholeheartedly. I'm not trying to dispute the guy's work or ability at all. Don't get the wrong impression. I was just seeing if anyone could point out a breakthrough singles performance or pivotal moment where it looked like he could certainly have been THE guy. It's one of those things where I was hoping to hear about a hidden gem I haven't discovered yet or something along those lines. That's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 I've not listened to a single Ross Report yet, but I might have to listen to the Ted DiBiase interview because you just know they spent 2 hours talking about Mid South! EDIT: Oh, wrong thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlingPower Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 The Sullivan shows are a prime example of wrestlers talking to fellow wrestlers get the most out of guys. I'm only 30 minutes into this and Corny got more out of both Sullivan & Orndorff than any other interviews I've heard from them. Also a reason I enjoy the Steve Corino "Old School" series from Highspots. Regarding Keirn, I haven't seen a ton of Fabs stuff but I don't remember either one standing out above the other. The best Keirn stuff I've seen was on the DVDVR New Japan set. I have a match he had with Flair from like 1986 (which I realize is well after the point he could have been Backlund) that I just can't bring myself to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 A lot of Keirn's best singles matches probably don't exist in full on tape, but the early 80s matches with Fujinami are really excellent. The Fabulous Ones were also a great tag team with plenty of terrific matches. Keirn was very good. There is a lot of Keirn singles matches on the Georgia footage I have. He's having matches with people like Les Thornton, Masa Saito, Kevin Sullivan, and Bobby Eaton. He was fueding for the GCW TV title circa 1981, but also had some junior matches with Thornton, who is something of a forgotten worker. Interestingly, in that timeframe the main eventers didn't tend to work long matches on TV mainly working angles to hype the Omni, so likes of Keirn and Sullivan would be the ones having longer matches. Keirn often tagged with Steve O during this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomethingSavage Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Gonna take another look at the Keirn/Flair match from '86, as well as a Sullivan/Keirn match result I found from Georgia. Thanks for the heads-up there, Parv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 The Sullivan story about him working with the Wright brothers and bleeding in the 70's is just amazing. it makes me want a comp DVD of them to see if they are that crazy "THAT A BOY LAY IT IN. THAT'S THE WAY WE LIKE IT HERE" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 The Sullivan story about him working with the Wright brothers and bleeding in the 70's is just amazing. it makes me want a comp DVD of them to see if they are that crazy "THAT A BOY LAY IT IN. THAT'S THE WAY WE LIKE IT HERE" Great story. The Sullivan show 2 was even better than the first, if that's possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 Paul Orndorff was very likable and entertaining, almost cheeky with his mischievous little laugh, but holy shit the Kevin Sullivan shows form one of the best shoots I've ever ever heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteF3 Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 That's amazing what people are saying about Orndorff, as he's always come off as incredibly prickly to me. Haven't had a chance to listen yet but that's a pretty good accomplishment by Cornette. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 I also wanted to mention that Alice is a complete and utter waste of space. Luckily, she mostly stays quiet during the interviews. I just skip the opening 10 minutes or so and get to where the guest comes in. Alice is annoying because she has no clue, and is not a proper fan. When she said that she really got to be more interested in Cornette through his shoot interviews rather than from familiarity with his actual career, I wondered why she's on there at all. She has no chemistry at all with Corny and whenever she talks it's awkward and unnatural. Sounds like she's butting in or speaking out of turn. Absolutely zero value to the show. Zero. About as worthless an on-air presence as I can think of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomethingSavage Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Yup. Ditto, Parv.If it helps any, I've got it narrowed down to the 12 to 15 minute range of most Corny's Experiences. Takes 'em a good chunk of time to get the bullshit out of the way. Alice has a great voice for radio, but yeah. That's about it. Offers next to nothing for me otherwise. She's plugged her own Raw Review podcast a few times, and holy hell. I can only imagine how "in-depth" and engaging that joker can get. Truth be told, I can partially understand the novelty of having someone from "outside" the bubble there for the purpose of a different perception or outside opinion on things. But she's not the answer. I hate to get TOO critical about her though, since I don't think they've really found the right combination for Corny in any other capacity just yet either. Court brought nothing to the table in terms of chemistry. Bolin's overbearing and only barely tolerable in very short, very minor doses. So I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Court's got some great overbearing buzzwords, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 I boycott the Cornette shows. I can't see supporting a show that continues to have Alice on even though 85% of the board wished she would leave. I don't even think she has a great radio voice because she isn't personable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sturm316 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 I also wanted to mention that Alice is a complete and utter waste of space. Luckily, she mostly stays quiet during the interviews. I just skip the opening 10 minutes or so and get to where the guest comes in. Alice is annoying because she has no clue, and is not a proper fan. When she said that she really got to be more interested in Cornette through his shoot interviews rather than from familiarity with his actual career, I wondered why she's on there at all. She has no chemistry at all with Corny and whenever she talks it's awkward and unnatural. Sounds like she's butting in or speaking out of turn. Absolutely zero value to the show. Zero. About as worthless an on-air presence as I can think of. I agree completely. I can't stand hearing her stutter through her replies while trying to offer a clever retort, and failing miserably every time. I noticed on the most recent podcast with Larry Matysik, when Jim was talking about how thick Jim Herd's hair was, she said something about if her and Jim (Cornette) ever met in person, she'd have to show him how thick her own hair is. Realizing they've never met in person, and (as mentioned), she's only familiar with Jim through his shoots, begs the question again: What does she have to offer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlingPower Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 She records the show & conferences in the guests, that's her contribution. Jim has said on multiple occassions he can't dump her because of that. There have been a pretty good run of shows lately though with Orndorff, Young, Sullivan, Matysik. I do wish Cornette would drop the weekly bit of insulting Court Bauer for charging so little for site membership Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlingPower Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Great show this week as Missy Hyatt grills Jim on lots of 70s & 80s territorial questions. Lots of business talk on the various SE/Continental splits & how that led to SMW. Those boycotting really should listen to this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sturm316 Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Loved the Missy Hyatt episode, and also noticed/loved that she's one of maybe two people I've ever heard (the other being Bill Watts) who even Jim Cornette can't talk over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadMick Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 Alice had the decency to do her homework and fall in love with Barry Windham. Let the hatred cease! Interview with/by Missy was good. I'd like to hear her being interviewed by Cornette sometime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomethingSavage Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 Just now revving up the Missy episode. She's almost always upbeat and positive when speaking about the old days, so I'm hoping it's as good as I've heard. I hate the exploitative garbage she's done, but she's fairly enjoyable when just shooting the shit & reminiscing about stories, angles, and the boys. Still not sold on anything Alice, but yeah. It's cool that the Network has opened her eyes to the talents of Barry Windham, etc. Just passed the part where Corny speaks about the Network in his opening. And - as grating as it is to hear him bitch & moan about the current product sometimes - ya gotta love it when he says things like, "As long as they're showing the good stuff, it's fine. It's just that, ya know, we don't wanna see the FUCKING MIZ." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillThompson Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Listening to the latest Jim Cornette Experience and there's a throwaway discussion that to me really highlights how out of touch he is with wrestling, or more succinctly how he needs to remove his rose colored glasses about the past. Basically he went into a very small rant about how the Network isn't worth it because no one wants to see the new stuff, the bad stuff like the Miz. What they want to see is all the great stuff, specifically the early 90s and 80s. I understand Cornette's point, but at the same time I think he's woefully misguided in that point of view. That's like saying the Miz is around, so that means Cesaro, Bryan, Cena, and every other person on the roster also isn't worth watching. However, the real reason I think it highlights a failing of Cornette's is how he looks back at past wrestling and sees it all as great. He decries stuff like the Miz and then talks about things like wrestling bears as if they are an example of how great wrestling was. He also ignores things like the Dynamic Dudes, the Ding Dongs, Oz, and untold other terrible gimmicks from the NWA, WCCW, Mid-South, Memphis, WWF, etc. Lots of people may think the Miz is terrible, and they are justified in thinking as such. That doesn't change how awful wrestling has been in the past, and how terrible gimmick and wrestlers have always been shoved down the consumers throats. This is why I don't think Cornette, and Ross, are the be all and end all voices of wrestling that too many people, myself included, often peg them as. They did great things in wrestling, but they also did plenty of awful things. The fact that they can't see the good in wrestling today or the awful in wrestling's past, that's just ignorant and, to run a comment into the ground, a sign of how out of touch they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minds_Eys Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 I'm not a fan of Cornette's rants in general, but I agree with him about no one wants to see the Miz! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 I'm not a fan of Cornette's rants in general, but I agree with him about no one wants to see the Miz!I'm loving Hollywood Miz. He feels fresh .He's finally 100 percent heel again, and he had a pretty swank little match with Ziggler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomethingSavage Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 I couldn't care any less whether Cornette actually likes The Miz or not. It was just funny to hear him dismiss Miz with such disdain. Funny stuff. Besides, I highly doubt Jimmy could even tell ya what shtick the Miz is working these days anyhow. I actually don't mind the act, since he's played it pretty well with his in-ring "protecting the face" spots & whatnot. Pretty much on board with ya there, Johnny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadMick Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 Liked the show from the Mid-Atlantic Convention. Sounded like a lively gathering to hear him preach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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