sek69 Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 Yeah that sounds like it would have been the one where it debuted. Not sure why it got dubbed since Wikipedia states that was a Jim Johnson joint. Surely they have the rights to their in house musician? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadMick Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 Why was the rooftop opening replaced so quickly? It's gone by Spring '96. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 Probably because lots of guys on the rooftop were heading for WCW, or like Bret, they were hinting that they might. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 That was definitely my favorite Raw opening though. Can't believe they had to dub over the theme, I am pretty sure they have released it on multiple CDs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artDDP Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 I liked the cruiser weight episode that's just gone up. Unlike other episodes I've ragged on here, this one wasn't an overly familiar story to hear with some nice footage and rarities. Plus I always get a kick out of Dean Malenko "being held back" in WCW thus his wanting to jump to WWE, whereas in reality he was a far bigger star in WCW. WCW gave him a generic History Channel commercial track for a theme and the WWF gave him that pseudo-Bond music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 The cruiserweight episode might be the most BS one of them all. The idea that the lighter guys were better in WWF is so comical it's almost coming off as a deliberate troll job. It reminds me of the South Park episode on Mormons where they go over their beliefs with a scroll on the screen THIS IS WHAT THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 Probably because lots of guys on the rooftop were heading for WCW, or like Bret, they were hinting that they might. Â Yeah, they had a huge turnover of talent during this period, which meant the open quickly got outdated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 The cruiserweight episode might be the most BS one of them all. The idea that the lighter guys were better in WWF is so comical it's almost coming off as a deliberate troll job. It reminds me of the South Park episode on Mormons where they go over their beliefs with a scroll on the screen THIS IS WHAT THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVE.  Did you mean to say WCW because they actually made a point that the Light Heavyweight division in 1997 - 1998 was a bad rip off of WCW mentioning guys like Scott Putski. Basically saying except for Taka the division was a joke and was treated like that showing the constant Jerry Lawler jokes  I do agree that they did the whole "everything went great when we went to the WWE" with the guys. That might be true with Eddy and Benoit and Mysterio but Malenko and Saturn were useless in the WWE.  The highlight was the commentator talking about "innovative storylines" on RAW or something like that and then showing the CHOPPY CHOPPY PEE PEE angle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidebottom Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 Â I liked the cruiser weight episode that's just gone up. Unlike other episodes I've ragged on here, this one wasn't an overly familiar story to hear with some nice footage and rarities. Plus I always get a kick out of Dean Malenko "being held back" in WCW thus his wanting to jump to WWE, whereas in reality he was a far bigger star in WCW. WCW gave him a generic History Channel commercial track for a theme and the WWF gave him that pseudo-Bond music. Â Â What's your point artDDP? WWE could have given him Sean Connery as a manager; what does it matter when you're coming down the ring to wrestle on Heat with no real direction or light at the end of the tunnel. Â What I will say in defence of Malenko in the WWE is; of the four Radicalz he was the one who seemed to fit in and feel settled the most at the very start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014  I can't imagine they will do an episode on cruiser weights. That seems too openly celebratory of an aspect of something WCW did better than WWE without stealing from them somehow, as well as something they don't value now. I think a Gang Warz one would be more likely.I don't know, they certainly made points like that on the Best of Nitro DVDs they put out. Johnny 1, Matt D 0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artDDP Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 Â Â I liked the cruiser weight episode that's just gone up. Unlike other episodes I've ragged on here, this one wasn't an overly familiar story to hear with some nice footage and rarities. Plus I always get a kick out of Dean Malenko "being held back" in WCW thus his wanting to jump to WWE, whereas in reality he was a far bigger star in WCW. WCW gave him a generic History Channel commercial track for a theme and the WWF gave him that pseudo-Bond music. Â Â What's your point artDDP? WWE could have given him Sean Connery as a manager; what does it matter when you're coming down the ring to wrestle on Heat with no real direction or light at the end of the tunnel. Â What I will say in defence of Malenko in the WWE is; of the four Radicalz he was the one who seemed to fit in and feel settled the most at the very start. Â I didn't have a point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 I think Dean was thinking about a career out of the ring when he jumped with his boys. And he thought right. Saturn had a fine mid card career in WWF, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 Moppy was some good shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 Random Canadian update, in case JNLister or anyone else is wondering: Â - Remember back in August when WWE On Demand on Rogers had a measly 13 titles? Well, I was able to do a search within Rogers' main On Demand title for WWEOD content, without actually being a subscriber. I counted 160 titles. Obviously not as good as the real version, but a massive improvement nonetheless. Â - This sort of thing comes and goes, but we actually have a full week's worth of Network programming listed as well. I don't know how much will change, but it's there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 The thing about the WWF's Light Heavyweight division is that it could had been awesome. You had Taka to build around. Tajiri and Super Crazy came in for one shots and could had been great. In 98 they brought in Pantera, Mr. Aguila, Dick Togo, Sho Funaki & Men's Teioh. Throwing all those guys together with Brian Christopher and Scott Taylor and you could have had a great division. Not to mention continuing the AAA deal from January 97 with Hector Garza and company. Â The tools were there. Sign a deal with AAA and M-Pro and they are set. Imagine how over Gran Naniwa would had been? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014   I can't imagine they will do an episode on cruiser weights. That seems too openly celebratory of an aspect of something WCW did better than WWE without stealing from them somehow, as well as something they don't value now. I think a Gang Warz one would be more likely.I don't know, they certainly made points like that on the Best of Nitro DVDs they put out. Johnny 1, Matt D 0.  I underestimated just how much they were going to brazenly rewrite history on this one. That's on me. One point to Johnny in the name of my naïveté. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 Moppy was some good shit. I don't care what people think, that was BY FAR the most I ever cared about Perry Saturn in WWE. The Moppy thing, him being a complete idiot, the pairing with Terri Runnels. Good stuff. Â And I just watched the double date segment with Dean Malenko and a bad female actor. They don't have anyone in the midcard doing ANYTHING AT ALL much less anything as entertaining as that goofy crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 I mostly remember Saturn for blurting out the word "Snausages" and saying "You're welcome". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteF3 Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 Â Moppy was some good shit. I don't care what people think, that was BY FAR the most I ever cared about Perry Saturn in WWE. The Moppy thing, him being a complete idiot, the pairing with Terri Runnels. Good stuff. Â And I just watched the double date segment with Dean Malenko and a bad female actor. They don't have anyone in the midcard doing ANYTHING AT ALL much less anything as entertaining as that goofy crap. Â Â The payoff to all that was genius...Malenko, fed up with his date being more enamored with Perry, finally trying out a phrase just as nonsensical as what Saturn had been saying, and the date responding with a blank look and "I don't get it." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 About the Radicalz, it's kinda creepy to think about what became to three of them : dead by overdose, dead by suicide after double murder, homeless junkie for a while. Â And yeah, the idea Malenko or Saturn weren't pushed enough in WCW is comical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyonthewall2983 Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 Good news, the Raw Flashbacks are coming back this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronos Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 Just watched "Warrior:The Ultimate Legend". Â Excuse me. I have something in my eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidebottom Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 Watched the new Goldberg episode of the Monday Night Wars which was yet another revisionist piece of history. These things are all made nicely, but they're like sports cars with dodgy engines. Â The narrative harped on about Goldberg being incapable of having a good lengthy match whilst ignoring what was perhaps Scott Hall's last ever great match at Souled Out 99 which was a belter as well as the Fall Brawl 2000 match against Steiner which was brilliant. These are just two examples off the top of my head, but to say Goldberg couldn't work is laughable. When he was booked right, he could produce something excellent. Â It also failed to note how WCW booked Goldberg better than the WWE did with their insistence of booking Goldberg against his strengths (there's precedent in them covering post 2001 when it suits). There was a general air of claiming people were not clambering to see Goldberg's short explosive undefeated act and grew tired of it which wasn't the case. Trawling through the archives to find a very quiet pocket of fans chanting "Goldberg sucks" in late 1999 doesn't exactly prove anything. Â The reality is, the character was still hot after the Starcade 1998 defeat. Goldberg remained one of the biggest stars until the very end of the promotion. The problem was the general booking of the character and all of the nonsense that was going on at the time. I can give you first hand accounts of being at Nitro tapings in 2000 and Goldberg getting by far the loudest ovations of the night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoS Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 It is also hilarious that it is Kevin Nasht alking about how he could not work 25-30 minutes. Because we all have seen a litany of classic 25-30 minute- Kevin Nash matches. Give me a Goldberg match over a Kevin Nash match any day. Â Also, to those who know, is it true that Kevin Nash sold more merchandise as part of The Outsiders than Goldberg? I have seen a few claim that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 I really hope we get an entire episode focused on Steph's heel turn at the end of 99. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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