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Wow.

 

I've been making my way through what's available online. Some AWA Super Destroyer Mark II matches, the Backlund MSG match from 1980, the Cobra Clutch Challenge, Patterson 4/81 and 5/81 and now Pedro in 6/81.

 

Also watching some Mid-Atlantic 1981 footage I brought in on DVD.

 

My eyes have been opened.

 

I grew up just watching him on Coliseum tapes doing the Iraq gimmick as champ and thought he had been a hero forever beforehand and had no real opinion on him. First off the heel drill sergeant gimmick is awesome and I love the various Cobra Clutch angles I've seen so far in both WWF and MACW.

 

His bumping and selling are fucking awesome. I am constantly gasping out loud at some his regular bumps like the head to the turnbuckle post. Between character work, promos, offense, a fantastic brutal looking finisher, and a consistently entertaining body of work, I am all aboard the Slaughter bandwagon.

 

I can't wait to get to Final Conflict era and the Sheik matches.

 

And I know a lot of you love him too, but for the general fan he's gotta be one of the most underrated performers ever. Sure he's a "WWE Legend" that trots out every year, but now that I know how awesome he was, I'm actually going to look forward to seeing him each time. I'm also looking to revisit the Hogan matches under the guise of knowing what came earlier.

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One of my all-time favorites, but I have no idea where I'd realistically rank him.

 

Is the famous Alley Fight with Patterson on the Network? I'd love to start there.

 

  On 5/24/2015 at 12:12 AM, Parties said:

He also loses points with me for being perhaps the all-time worse panelist on The Legends of Wrestling, which is wildly unfair to assessing his career, but man, he was horrible.

What was so bad about it? I don't remember his appearance being particularly offensive. But please refresh my memory. In my mind, Michael Hayes was a lot more obnoxious at times, Ric Flair was the drizzling shits (a bitter old drunk), and Mike Graham's "little brother tagging along" routine was kind of sad (but he was solid enough when he actually did speak).

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Is the famous Alley Fight with Patterson on the Network? I'd love to start there.

 

 

Here's your one-stop 1981 WWF Slaughter shop

 

  On 4/20/2015 at 2:34 AM, JerryvonKramer said:

Dylan, while it's still up there, here's a whole bunch of Sarge from 81:

 

 

You'll find the Patterson Philly matches on there, among other things.

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I think he was only on for the one about Patriotism, but my memory was that he told super long, boring stories that went nowhere and made some awful non-jokes. I'm sure other people would look at it and see nothing wrong with it, but he came off as a dude you desperately wouldn't want to get stuck talking to at a party. Even at his career peaks I found him void of charisma, with the exception of a few of the most off the wall sympathizer promos.

 

I was looking at this thread last night and realized that I definitely have a stigma against AWA guys who aren't Bockwinkel. It always felt like a dull, low-rent promotion that made great workers less interesting. I love something like the Bockwinkel-Hennig broadway or Hennig-Hansen, but almost everything I've seen (including the top matches on the DVDVR set) feel like they would have been worlds better anywhere else.

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  On 8/25/2015 at 11:31 PM, Parties said:

I was looking at this thread last night and realized that I definitely have a stigma against AWA guys who aren't Bockwinkel. It always felt like a dull, low-rent promotion that made great workers less interesting. I love something like the Bockwinkel-Hennig broadway or Hennig-Hansen, but almost everything I've seen (including the top matches on the DVDVR set) feel like they would have been worlds better anywhere else.

 

I don't even know what that means. I just watched some Blackwell/Crusher match earlier and while the match wasn't very good the crowd was nuts and when they turned the lights on at the end while Blackwell was beating down Crusher I thought there was about to be a full scale riot. When you have crowds that hot I don't know how you can call it a "dull, low-rent promotion" unless you are talking strictly about their TV.

 

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Have not seen the match in question, or any other AWA match where it looked like a riot was eminent. Look: they drew great houses. That's not low-rent. I'm talking about stuff like having terrible announcers, production that feels way behind that of WWF/NWA/Japan of the time, and the palest roster in history, often filled out by a mix of lumbering oafs and solid workers who I find lacking in charisma. Even Watts and Memphis on limited budgets produced more interesting TV. Most of what I have seen is from ESPN, and that Showboat stuff often felt really tacky. But I'm also someone who would rather be shot out of a cannon than enter the average casino, so your mileage may vary.

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The TV does kind of suck I can't argue that. The Showboat era is actually better than what came before it if that tells you anything. But I find the arena footage is usually pretty damn good especially some of the early 80s stuff that was on the AWA set.

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My big problem with the AWA was how every big match seemed like it had to be explained by the referee after the decision. The announcing was pretty damn bad for sure. I never got the idea of Col. DeBeers gimmick against anyone other than Jimmy Snuka as far as people who mattered either. I loved a good portion of the work in the AWA set, and I thought the camera work was really good at times. But I do get the low rent complaint even if the crowds seemed hot to the bitter end. I liked Slaughter when he showed up, but not as much as his WWWF or WWF stuff I've seen. I think he belongs on a top 100 list for sure based on ring work.

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  On 10/5/2014 at 11:51 AM, JerryvonKramer said:

Certainty for my top 100, but probably in 80-100 region.

 

- Tremendous heat, especially as a heel in 1981 WWF, and again in 1991 WWF

- Great "marquee matches"

- All-time great bumper

- Magnificent chin, second only to Inoki's

 

I'm listening to the relevant Titans episodes as I watch his stuff, but I'm curious to know what match or moment do you consider "peak" Slaughter.

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Slaughter has fallen into that bin of 80's guys who I grew up watching as a kid but never really appreciated and have since come around on because I actually know what the hell I'm watching now. Current inhabitants include: Valentine, Patera, Martel, Ron Garvin, Patterson.

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The matches with Patterson and Sheik blew my mind whenever they were released on WWE DVD like ten years ago. So in some ways Slaughter was my gateway to 80's wrestling.

 

Nowadays, I'm enjoying the Sarge on Mid Atlantic TV as a tip heel. I dig the idea of him having recruits. Not really any strong matches but of course I'm watching stuff a year out from Final Conflict, which I really enjoy.

 

From what I've seen, Slaughter was good everywhere he popped up. My only wish is that he had one really strong post-career match instead of the stinker with Hunter. A boot camp match with Austin would have been killer and made more sense if only Austin was healthy at the time.

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I'm another one who grew up only knowing about Slaughter as a gimmick, and once I began watching 80s wrestling I was completely blown away.

 

This dude is the nuttiest bumper. I think every single match of his there's some point where I go all Holy Shit when some insane bump lands him on top of his head. Total psycho.

 

Like peachchaos says above, he was good wherever he went. He has a slew of great shit, and his very best stuff is among the best matches of the 80s.

 

Honestly I think he's one of the very best workers of the 80s. He'll be pretty high for me.

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I ranked Sgt. Slaughter 69th overall and I feel good about that. He's maybe a littler closer to 50 than he should be...but I dunno. Peak Sarge fucking rocks. Big dude, incredible bumper and bleeder. His very best matches are unbelievable and when it comes stuff like character and gimmick, Sgt. Slaughter takes a backseat to very few people. 

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I feel like with the Patterson, Sheik, Backlund matches and the Final Conflict, you could make a pretty good case for Sarge being one of the best Big Match workers in North America, if not the world, in the early 80s. So much fun to watch, made his opponents look superhuman and definitely in my 100. 

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I had Slaughter at 84 in 2016, and I'm still not sure if I undersold him or oversold him. He's a hard guy to rate, even though he maybe shouldn't be. His resume of high-end stuff is exceptional - the Sheik feud, Final Conflict, the alley fight with Patterson, the best stuff with Backlund (I thought the Philly cage match was maybe the best WWF/E cage match ever when I last watched it). I thought the desert storm match with Hogan was more good than great, but it's a point in his favour as a post-prime recommendation. He's an amazing bumper and will bleed like a psychopath, but the way he actually sells that blood loss is brilliant, especially in the alley fight with Patterson. I found AWA Sarge sort of disappointing, but the cage match with Blackwell against Kaissey, Masked Superstar and King Tonga was great. I just really wish there was a Slaughter/Hansen match that lives up to its promise. Dylan makes the case that he has the peaks but not a ton of the mid-level stuff to go along with it, and on the surface I think I'd agree with that, but then Parv makes the counter case and I guess it depends on how much time I set aside to watch weekly 1981 WWF before I settle on one side of the fence. I've been meaning to rewatch the Final Conflict for years so I guess we'll see where that leads us. 

 

SARGEANT SLAUGHTER YOU SHOULD WATCH:

v Bob Backlund (WWF, 3/21/81)

v Pat Patterson (WWF, 5/4/81)

w/Don Kernodle v Ricky Steamboat & Jay Youngblood (JCP, 3/12/83)

v Iron Sheik (WWF, 6/16/84)

w/Jerry Blackwell v Sheik Adnan Kaissey, Masked Superstar & King Tonga (AWA, 4/21/85)

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So I've watched 130+ Sgt Slaughter matches from 1975-1997 and I feel confident saying he is one of the 100 greatest wrestlers of all time. I haven't figured out where exactly he'll rank on my list because we're so far out, but I know for certain that he belongs. I'm going to walk through how I view his candidacy: his specific traits, his highs and lows and make a bunch of recommendations at the end. 

Are there footage issues? Does this affect his candidacy?
Unfortunately there are footage issues on the early side of Slaughter's peak run. I've been unable to track down much in the way of complete matches from the 70s. He looks solid in the brief clips and couple of complete matches I was able to find. He's a good bumper from the very beginning and had a nice offensive repertoire for the era. Unfortunately I don't think we can tell much from the clips about when he started to go from good to very good to great. The second he debuts in WWF as Sgt Slaughter he looks like a world class performer. So its likely with more footage available from the 70s we'd be able to add some quality years to his resume'. So keep your fingers crossed for more footage down the line.

What kind of candidate is Sgt Slaughter?

Sarge is one of the ultimate peak candidates. He's not a guy who we can point to 25 years of greatness or even ten. So if you're someone who values longevity over absolute peak, Slaughter is unlikely to rank well for you. Some wrestlers are "little things" candidates who might not have gotten the opportunities to produce high profile classics, but excelled at house shows or studio matches and we can point to great technique, versatility etc while wishing they had gotten better opportunities. Sarge isn't one of those candidates. Sarge got the opportunities and he made the absolute most of them. He was put in the highest profile positions in the highest profile territories in the country and consistently delivered in the ring. At its core, Sarge's case really comes from his run between 1980-1984 where he is a top tier performer consistently producing at a high level against a variety of opponents including some of the best feuds & matches of all time. I do think there's more to his career that is worthwhile than this 80-84 stretch that does add some bulk to his candidacy. But if you're not sold on his 80-84 run as an all time level run, he's not going to be a strong candidate for your list.

So whats so great about this peak?
I think Slaughter is a strong candidate for the best wrestler in the world for the 1980-1984 stretch. I'm not sure if I'd rank him #1 for that stretch but I think he's in the conversation with folks like Tatsumi Fujinami, Ric Flair, Jumbo Tsuruta, Buddy Rose, Terry Funk, Jerry Lawler, Nick Bockwinkel, Jaguar Yokota & Devil Masami. My top 20 is going to be filled with those names (and at least 4 of those people are going to make my top 10). I think Slaughter is in the conversation for best in the world for both the cumulative time period of 1980-84 and for each individual year. I tend to have a very high opinion of the best wrestlers from this era and so challenging for the best wrestler of this era means a lot to me.

During this 1980-1984 stretch, Sgt Slaughter delivered in the ring regardless of setting or opponent. His big time arena matches are some of the most famous of the era. He has several blood feuds all of which build and build before climaxing with legendary all time great matches that stand the test of time with Sarge's performance usually the driving force behind what makes the matches so great. When he's wrestling a more limited opponent in a big setting like old Pedro Morales, Otto Wanz, or Ivan Putski Sarge knows how to work comedy spots, kill time with great schtick and create offense from nothing with his all time great set of signature bumps. Slaughter's TV Jobber matches standout as entertaining because his charisma & presence tied to one of the great characters in the history of wrestling are transcendent. He still feels unique and special 40 years later. Sarge also has a pretty deep well of good offensive moves and doesn't need to use every one in every match. So you can watch 5 or 6 Sarge vs Jobber matches in a row and see something a different match each time and they'll all be entertaining.

Slaughter also managed to get the most out of his character during this era. He performed at the highest possible level as a heel and as a babyface. When he made the switch from legendary heel to legendary babyface, his ring work shifted appropriately. He cut down on the stooging & ramped up the ass kicking aggression. Instead of using his insane signature bumps for comedy or to create killer offense for limited early 80s WWWF Babyfaces, he starts using them to set up heel transitions and devastating cut offs. He's not the most versatile wrestler ever, but he got the absolute most out of what he does as a heel and as a face.\

To sum up the peak, for 5 years Sgt Slaughter consistently performed at the highest level in the business regardless of setting or opponent. He was consistently hard working and clearly put thought into even the smallest jobber matches. He produced 3 of the legendary feuds of all time (and another that deserves that kind of praise) with numerous great matches. He did this as a singles performer, as part of a tag team and as a babyface & a heel. He wasn't working in a vacuum either. He was one of the hottest wrestlers in the entire world with a truly special crowd connection so every single match he was in during this time period has an insanely invested crowd. This really added to the atmosphere of pretty much every match he was in and helps him (and his matches/feuds) come across as special.

What are his standout traits?
When I read the name Sgt Slaughter I imagine him flying over the top rope in a maniac bump or eating the ring post. Sarge was a big man and a really good offensive wrestler, but he is the premier bumper of his era. He was Mick Foley before there was Mick Foley. Slaughter was a big man who could credibly be billed as 6'4 and 300lbs and he had numerous signature bumps that would see him flying over the top rope to the concrete floor. He would regularly do the "Rock takes a Stunner" bump. Sarge had multiple signature bumps into the corner. Sometimes he'd just fly over the corner to the floor like a complete lunatic. Sometimes he'd slam into the corner chest first like Bret Hart only Sarge would then leap forward to sell smashing his face on the ring post. Sometimes Sarge would just take the corner bump chest first and then take a big exaggerated stomach bump back into the ring. Sometimes he'd take an irish whip and he'd go through the turnbuckles to the floor like he's doing tope to nowhere. Sometimes he'd go through the turnbuckles and eat the ringpost with his shoulder or head. Sometimes he'd come off the top rope and miss splashes for crazy splat bumps.

Sarge was also fantastic at mixing these bumps up. He'd do them all regularly but they'd be utilized differently. Sometimes they'll work as killer cut off spots or transitions. Sometimes they're part of a babyface dominating section. Sometimes they're worked for comedy. You'd also never know when it was coming. Like you always knew when Ric Flair was going to take the gorilla press bump off the top rope. But with one of these killer Slaughter bumps, you just didn't know. Sometimes he'd take a big Irish whip into the corner and it'd be your traditional spot. Other times he'd dive over the top rope and crash to the floor.

He was also great at just traditional bumps. He could really move and get up and down for rapid fire heel bumping or he could do the biggest bumps in the world and really let them sink in and change the tone of the match.

Seriously. Sarge has to be at or near the top of the list for craziest bumper in history. Between the bumps and the GI Joe money, its no wonder his career as a high end performer wasn't as long as other all time greats.

Additionally Sarge was an all time great seller. Whether he's stooging for comedy or selling that he's been in an absolute war, Sarge's selling was always on point.


Lastly, I would be remiss if I didn't mention Sarge is one of the all time bleeders in wrestling history. Sarge's bloodiest matches are some of the all time blade jobs AND he did it as a babyface (for sympathy) and as a heel (for crowd joy).

Those are the things I think of first when I think about Sgt Slaughter: Bumping, Selling & Bleeding.


Hey, how is his offense?
Well goddamn it was really good. This has been forgotten and obscured over time because Slaughter's Bumping, Selling & Bleeding are SO good its easy to forget that he was a terrific offensive wrestler. He has a pretty nice range of moves for a big guy of the era in any given match you'll see: various backbreakers, back suplex, shoulder breaker, vertical suplex, gutbuster, atomic drop, a stun gun, a regular piledriver, a tombstone piledriver, a flying knee/stomp (rare), the Slaughter cannon, and the cobra clutch. He had all the midrange moves like clubbing forearms, knee drops, elbow drops, back rakes, knee strikes to the gut that sort of thing and they all look really sharp.

In addition to that he was an excellent puncher. He can comfortably fill different matches with different body part attacks. He could focus on the back with his backbreakers, suplex, directed falling knees & elbows. He could focus on stomach/ribs with his gut buster, running kitchen sink knee strikes, ab stretch. Or he could focus on the head & neck with piledrivers, back suplex, and the Cannon in order to set up his cobra clutch.


So while Sarge is the king of bumping like a maniac and bleeding & selling all over the place, he was a really good offensive wrestler who could hold his own on that end in a variety of different ways.

Was Sarge very versatile as a performer? Is there much range to his matches?
Sarge is an interesting person to think about when it comes to versatility and range. I think most people's gut reaction is going to be to look for a big time brawl and a technical masterpiece. Well Sarge has all the violent brawls you could hope for, but I can't point to some technical masterpiece with great mat work or something like that. Sarge isn't that kind of versatile. Sarge's range & versatility is seen in his ability to work with anybody. His versatility exists in these incredibly violent brawls both on the heel side of the spectrum and on the babyface side. Then its seen in his bumping & stooging for comedy against Ivan Putski.

Any flaws with his ring work?
Not during his peak. I think he always delivered. If you wanted to nitpick and say he's missing that great grappling match, I'd understand. But I don't need Sarge to trade holds to see that he was a great pro wrestler.

What are the best feuds?
The heavy hitters are the rivalries against Pat Patterson, Iron Sheik and teaming with Don Kernodle vs Ricky Steamboat & Jay Youngblood. These are all legendary feuds with multiple great matches. These are the sort of feuds I think all wrestling fans interested in wrestling history should be familiar with. I think Slaughter's rivalry with Bob Backlund deserves mention on this level as well. Slaughter & Backlund have some incredible matches together in 1980 & 81 and then they run it again in 1983 and it looks like they hadn't missed a beat together. I could only find footage of one TV match and clips of another match but I suspect if we had more footage the feud over the US Title with Wahoo McDaniel in 1982 would be in this conversation as well.

Does the AWA run add anything?
So I actually do think it did until it didn't. I was very tempted to extend Sarge's prime years at least into 1985 but I just didn't feel totally comfortable with that. I was working with more clips & highlights. I think Sarge continues to look really good in 85-86. He has a short run teaming with Jerry Blackwell and they look fucking awesome and it peaked with Sarge's last MOTDC against King Tonga, Masked Superstar & Adnan al-Kaissey in the cage (4/21/85). I'm a pretty big fan of the Slaughter vs Hansen matches. I'm not going to argue it as a great feud with multiple MOTYC, but none of their matches are bad and are literally all very good. I think Slaughter vs Hansen is a perfectly acceptable sort of secondary feud in a career that is a clear positive for both wrestlers. I think Slaughter vs Hansen has been mislabeled a disappointment because expectations for those two wrestlers were unreasonably high to begin with. I have no problem calling Slaughter a very good wrestler through mid 86. Sarge barely worked anywhere in 1987 and when he shows up again in 88-89 he's enormous. Just huge and out of shape. He could be hidden in tag matches but he really couldn't do much. He could have big guy slugfests, but what made him special appears to be gone. 

Does the early 90s WWF run add anything?
I think it helps! He's in better shape than he was in the late 80s and is back to bumping like a complete lunatic. The Hogan rivalry is very good and some of those matches (not WrestleMania, but the MSG ones) are among Hogan's very best. He was even able to get quality matches out of Ultimate Warrior joining a very small group of wrestlers to accomplish that feat. His killer offense from the early 80s is largely disappeared during this run and he's 90% bumping and stooging and selling, but Sarge knows how to bump & stooge and sell so they're enjoyable matches. This isn't a case where comes back and looks like he's one of the best wrestlers in the world again. Its a good run and he works his ass off and produces some quality matches.

How far was the drop off once the GI Joe money started coming in?
Sarge debuted on GI Joe in 1985 and Slaughter was good in the ring until at least 1986. After that is when it really fell apart. But he wasn't even working that much so I'm not sure how much I really care. And then when he got paid to come back and wrestle, he got himself in shape and was very good again. But you wouldn't believe the guy in 1988 was the same guy from 1984. 

Am I sick of him?
Fuck no. Point me to more Sgt Slaughter. 

So where's he gonna rank?
Somewhere in the 25-50 range. As much as I love his peak, the scope of his career just doesn't really touch other people I have in my top 20. I couldn't see him falling below 50. But I do think there's a limit to how high I could put him. If he was the definitive no brainer best in the world for that 1980-84 stretch, I could maybe see an argument for ranking him in the top 20. But I don't think that's the reality of the situation, as good as he was there was always at least a couple of people I think were operating on that same level. 

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Yeah great post Elliot, gonna check some of those recommended matches asap because Sarge is a wrestler I've always been interested in but never dedicated enough time to as a fan.

Funnily enough, and not related to GWE, Sarge was BY FAR my favourite wrestler to pick in the Legends of WrestleMania videogame, and I fantasy-booked entire storylines around him as the ace of the company. His all time great theme song was everything I needed to push him :)

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Thanks yall!  I appreciate it!

I'm gonna work on a playlist for a Watch Party. 

I have a few people in mind for my next project (Andre the Giant, Randy Savage, Tully Blanchard, Fuerza Guerrera, Atsushi Onita, Steve Corino is the group I'm circling) but I welcome everyone to join the fun :)

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