RCS1988 Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 - I like the fact that a countout led to a fall and they are avoiding the Bret-Shawn Ironman route. That was the only Ironman/woman match that ended with no decisions at the end of the time limit. Every one since then had falls and not even something like a 4-4 tie with overtime. if Sasha was staying in NXT the superfan would turn heel, but that won't happen, unless they have Sister Abigail in NXT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Based on the reaction show and reviews, most of the people who wished that Izzy turned heel or hated hurt involvement in the match are from the New York, New Jersey, or Philly area Thanks Paul E <_> Hey, I was that kind of fan when Paul E was just working at Studio 54. LOLAnd I was just kidding on the reaction show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Dave on twitter really putting over Bayley as the potential next big star in the company but seems to be implying that Vince's narrow vision of wrestling won't allow it. Saying WWE doesn't realize important things right under their nose. Almost exactly the same as the Bryan situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Bayley should be a gigantic star in WWE, but the sad fact is she's far more likely to be the next Emma on the main roster. There's practically zero chance the creative team is going to handle her character properly. Sasha heeling on Izzy was great since it was a heel doing dastardly heel shit and that's almost a lost art these days. All she did was take the bow off her head and the crowd reacted like she punched her out since heels rarely do anything bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 What was great about Sasha being such a hated heel to Izzy was that she lost in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 That reminds me, I thought people talking about a backlash against Izzy were just busting balls, but there seems to be people upset that she was made part of the show. Maybe because she shares a name with my niece, but there's something really gross about someone being mad at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bierschwale Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 It's mildly exploitative to use her, but mildly exploitative things are part of what make pro wrestling great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 - I like the fact that a countout led to a fall and they are avoiding the Bret-Shawn Ironman route. That was the only Ironman/woman match that ended with no decisions at the end of the time limit. Every one since then had falls and not even something like a 4-4 tie with overtime. if Sasha was staying in NXT the superfan would turn heel, but that won't happen, unless they have Sister Abigail in NXT. i know. The concern is that since they were playing up the event as a WWE moment that they would try to emulate the most famous Iron Man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted October 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 I thought people talking about a backlash against Izzy were just busting balls, but there seems to be people upset that she was made part of the show. I'm one of those people and I don't feel bad about it either. She might as well be Bayley's mascot at this point. They're constantly featuring her in video packages, she's always on-air on the show & I don't like to see any fan propped up like that, child or not. Same with Brock Lesnar guy or that stupid fucking clown or any of them. What, there's not other kids there that are fans of Bayley too? Like Bierschwale said, it's exploitive & it was the cool the first time to see genuine reactions like that. The fifth or sixth time, I just don't want to see it anymore. Stop using a kid as a prop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ready_Willing_Gable Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Brock Lesnar guy is some lame mark who might do a funny face. The clown guy is an insufferable attention seeker. Izzy embodies everything Bayley is about, not the same fuckin ballpark. It's all real to her. I'm not saying it should persist forever and ever but c'monnnnnn. Jaded much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worm Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Sasha Banks is a fuckin' god. They really need to stop breaking the fourth wall now though, with the irritating "you deserve it" type chants, hugging mid ring, all that shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Sasha Banks is a fuckin' god. They really need to stop breaking the fourth wall now though, with the irritating "you deserve it" type chants, hugging mid ring, all that shit. I loved when Bayley hugged Sasha in the middle of the match and then Sasha used it to her advantage. Awesome spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 I'm really mixed on Graves. On one hand he needs to stop wanking off to Eva matches, but sometimes I really enjoy his work. I love the way he "wanks off" to Eva's matches. She is going to be an amazing heel. I am salivating for the inevitable Bayley/Eva feud - I'm not even joking either. Full Sail will erupt with thunderous boos. How often do wrestlers get real heat anymore, especially in self-aware NXT? Eva has it. Maybe it's for the wrong reasons, but who cares? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted October 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 I'm really mixed on Graves. On one hand he needs to stop wanking off to Eva matches, but sometimes I really enjoy his work. I love the way he "wanks off" to Eva's matches. She is going to be an amazing heel. I am salivating for the inevitable Bayley/Eva feud - I'm not even joking either. Full Sail will erupt with thunderous boos. How often do wrestlers get real heat anymore, especially in self-aware NXT? Eva has it. Maybe it's for the wrong reasons, but who cares? I'm of the opinion that there's no such thing as wrong heat. In this day & age, the only way you get booed is if you suck. If you're a good heel, you get cheered. If you do cool moves, you get cheered. If you're funny, you get cheered. If you're booked like Hulk Hogan or suck in the ring, you get booed. It's really weird. But I never agreed with the whole "X-Pac Heat" and having "not real heat but go away heat" line of thinking anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ready_Willing_Gable Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 I'm really mixed on Graves. On one hand he needs to stop wanking off to Eva matches, but sometimes I really enjoy his work. I love the way he "wanks off" to Eva's matches. She is going to be an amazing heel. I am salivating for the inevitable Bayley/Eva feud - I'm not even joking either. Full Sail will erupt with thunderous boos. How often do wrestlers get real heat anymore, especially in self-aware NXT? Eva has it. Maybe it's for the wrong reasons, but who cares? I just don't like the Lawler style drooling. I mean, he's not that level but he's not far at times with the women. I thought announcers were supposed to be subtle now. I've been iffy on colour commentators for ages tbh. don't get me wrong I enjoy a Heenan or anyone who is funny but just having someone who always crap all over babyfaces, encouraging people to cheer on heels, and rarely if ever gets any comeuppance seems kinda counter-productive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 I've been getting the Jesse Ventura vibe from Graves for a while, and I like how he "tells it like it is" in a heelish way without going completely cartoon-obnoxious heel Michael Cole. Plus as a former wrestler, I like how the other two with no in ring background will ask him for a wrestler's point of view in a match which is something missing from WWE commentary. Also the Eva stuff is great because she's obviously a heel and of course the heel announcer would be rooting for her. He does go a little overboard with it, but I think that it's by design to a degree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 Dave didn't just praise Bayley's potential -- he and Bryan talked about her up to the point that in some ways, she may be their best bet in replacing John Cena. I think they meant in terms of PR/charity work, appeal to kids and merchandise sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsem43 Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 I don't see Bayley working with an older male audience in the long term. She's fantastic for kids and women but you already see online that some male fans are getting sick of her cutesy stuff. That's just going to get worse on the main roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 That makes her even more like Cena. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsem43 Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 Yeah but she a woman so that's going to lead to a nastier backlash, probably something that they can't play off of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 I saw someone bring up the point that when Bayley gets called up, are they going to have to reboot her back to the character she was originally when people were asking if she was supposed to be autistic? A big part of why she's over is how the character grew since the beginning and 98% of the Raw audience would have no reason to know why this childlike girl with a side tail who hugs everyone is supposed to be a big deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 We're officially in the era of "self-conscious everything". Which sucks when you're as talented as Sasha Banks, really. I wish she could just be a pro-wrestler doing pro-wrestling matches in a pro-wrestling promotion, and not another cog in the WWE narrative machine, which doesn't believe in fiction for its wrestler anymore, as the only fiction it produces is its own as a living "legendary" entity. Triple H found yet another way to put himself on the picture at the end. And less said about Mother Hen Stephy the best. Yep. I didn't like that post-match, as you can guess... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 I get how it was a little much to have a ceremony at the end like someone was retiring or passed away, I don't get why people got so upset about it. This is Hunter's baby so of course he's going to be involved in some manner. At this point getting upset about them being involved is like getting mad at a duck for going in the water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 This is Hunter's baby so of course he's going to be involved in some manner. Why can't he just let his wrestlers wrestle, tell their stories and be successful at it, and save the party and applause for backstage ? Because the story is not "Good girl Bailey triumphs over evil Sasha Banks", the story is really "Look at how Triple H and Stephy are revolutionnizing women's sports-entertainement." That's the actual narrative, because like everything else, the true narrative of everything about WWE is the WWE itself. And WWE is Trip and Stephy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 It is definitely a way for Triple H to prove to people he can be a viable successor to Vince. It is about that being as visible as possible for stockholders and for the fans that wonders about the future. Unfortunately he is being very heavy-handed about it but I can understand the strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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