Beast Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 This is after over a year of dropping the ball. We really giving WWE a medal just for one moment where they did something good?
Death From Above Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 All it took was Vince to comeback to make Roman a star. I don't know what that says about the rest if the roster and creative but I don't think it's good Vince has a legit case as a top 5 heel of all time so this is a pretty light criticism.
Benbeeach Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 Echoing everyone else's thoughts, but Vince's energy is just SOOOO different from everyone else's on the roster. He still feels like a giant deal in a way that no one else does. Getting trotted out week after week can kill anyone's buzz, surely, Vince probably knows as well as anyone, but his mere presence flipped the entire script. I commend the old man for just saying "if you won't get him over, I will"
Loss Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 Vince was tremendous at ringside getting all of those nearfalls over. He can largely be credited with the atypical heat, because he was selling the hell out of the consequences at ringside.
Strummer Posted December 15, 2015 Author Report Posted December 15, 2015 They probably gave Roman his big win because they knew the big market Rumble and Mania traveling crowds would boo. TV crowds different than big PPVs
Death From Above Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 They probably gave Roman his big win because they knew the big market Rumble and Mania traveling crowds would boo. TV crowds different than big PPVs Philly is the second biggest wrestling city in the world, you're just spouting random words now.
Loss Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 Seriously, a little over 24 hours ago, a pay-per-view main event started between Roman Reigns and Sheamus with chants for John Cena. There's so much to learn about what they have pulled off since last night. I will also add that I think the ESPN plug was an intentional attempt to draw a good overrun number. They made the title change as obvious as possible to viewers at home so they'd stick with the show 'till the end. One thing Dave said at one point was that they were sticking with the Reigns push almost as a philosophical matter, because they had to be able to control (read: manipulate) their audience. The last day, where Reigns ended up winning the title to a huge pop in the same city where the backlash started, proves that wrestling fans can still be worked. And thank God for that.
goodhelmet Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 It also proves that giving your baby face a win will also get over.
Strummer Posted December 15, 2015 Author Report Posted December 15, 2015 They probably gave Roman his big win because they knew the big market Rumble and Mania traveling crowds would boo. TV crowds different than big PPVs Philly is the second biggest wrestling city in the world, you're just spouting random words now. PPV crowd might be different than a regular TV crowd. Big PPV crowds travel and might lean towards the smark end
goc Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 This is after over a year of dropping the ball. We really giving WWE a medal just for one moment where they did something good? So we're supposed to shit on it instead? If you want that reaction head on over to wrestlingforum.com which has turned into a salt mine. Raw was good. They actually did some smart booking for once and finally pulled the trigger on a big win for Roman when everyone was expecting them to do yet another stupid screwjob. And the crowd was really into it.
Matt D Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 They should absolutely get credit for doing something well. It's just not some sort of grand plan. There's also no reason to think that the next few weeks will go well based on history. Good on them for tonight though.
sek69 Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 It may get lost in the title change, but I was surprised Roman both bringing up Vince's age and called him an out of touch old man. Not only was it breaking a Vince taboo, it was a great way to manipulate the crowd by having him basically be the voice of internet complaints about the booking.
Beast Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 They should absolutely get credit for doing something well. It's just not some sort of grand plan. There's also no reason to think that the next few weeks will go well based on history. Good on them for tonight though. Yeah, seriously. I'm so sick and tired of everyone treating WWE like they're a preschooler finally able to string together complete sentences. This talk of "Pro Wrestling Is Still Alive!" and "WWE can still work the fans" is overblown. Excuse me for being cynical, but I'm sorry, 100 crappy Raws in a row kinda outweigh them doing the logical thing for once. If the next month stays on course and the Rumble looks to be another good show, I'll be the first to give the WWE all the credit it's due. Until then, I'm not ready to drop confetti.
Johnny Sorrow Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 Not being able to live in the moment and be happy because you are just waiting for anger and disappointment is a terrible way to live. Be it for wrestling or any other thing in entertainment, or life, that stinks. No one liked Eeyore. He was a drag.
Beast Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 This is why WWE will never go out of business. What short memories we have. And no, I don't really care that Roman Reigns got the title. They've done nothing to make me care about him. Cool moment tonight, good match too. But let's not pretend we're watching in a vacuum where it's all about "the moment". I'm the guy that used to get over the moon excited about Nexus' debut and Punk's pipe bomb and Brock's return. They've lost any goodwill on my end.
Jimmy James Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 It also proves that giving your baby face a win will also get over. Vince being in the arena also showed that having people act like the result of a match really, really matters will get a match over.
goc Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 This is why WWE will never go out of business. What short memories we have. I didn't know we were supposed to be rooting for WWE to die under some misguided idea that that wouldn't be a horrible thing for wrestling.
Alucard Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 Outside of a Money In the Bank cash in or filling a vacancy, when was the last time there was a legit title switch on Raw? Edge over RVD & Cena in 2006 but that had outside circumstances too so before that I think it goes all the way back to Austin over Angle in 2001.
Beast Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 This is why WWE will never go out of business. What short memories we have. I didn't know we were supposed to be rooting for WWE to die under some misguided idea that that wouldn't be a horrible thing for wrestling. Totally not what I meant and strange you'd even think that considering the context you've also quoted. Do me a favor and don't reply to any of my posts in the future. I'm totally done interacting with you stemming from the fantasy booking and everything having to be confrontational. Give it a rest.
Loss Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 This is why WWE will never go out of business. What short memories we have. And no, I don't really care that Roman Reigns got the title. They've done nothing to make me care about him. Cool moment tonight, good match too. But let's not pretend we're watching in a vacuum where it's all about "the moment". I'm the guy that used to get over the moon excited about Nexus' debut and Punk's pipe bomb and Brock's return. They've lost any goodwill on my end. No short memory at all. But I'll give them credit for fixing one of their biggest current problems since Sunday evening. They almost made it look easy, which makes it baffling that it took so long to fix. But yes. They still have a roster full of midcarders. They still have bad announcing. They still script their promos. It wasn't a cure-all. But they finally got the guy they've spent nearly two years trying to get over as their top babyface over the hump. That's an accomplishment worth talking about. The rest of the issues will still be there later for us to talk about.
Loss Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 Also, they flipped the script in 24 hours. I never want to hear anyone say they can't change how someone is perceived again.
Zoo Enthusiast Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 I didn't see it (I figured it was just going to be another screwjob). Roman Reigns is fucking great, though, so I am glad they finally did it.
soup23 Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 Turned on Raw for the first time in months last night after reading the twitter buzz about the Hardcore match. The last hour from that to the New Day promo, to the main event was really gripping television that has been missing for a while. Roman winning felt really justified and a big deal and was a great moment.
goc Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 This is why WWE will never go out of business. What short memories we have. I didn't know we were supposed to be rooting for WWE to die under some misguided idea that that wouldn't be a horrible thing for wrestling. Totally not what I meant and strange you'd even think that considering the context you've also quoted. Do me a favor and don't reply to any of my posts in the future. I'm totally done interacting with you stemming from the fantasy booking and everything having to be confrontational. Give it a rest. Told you then as I'm telling you now, if you don't want to read my posts then put me on ignore. I'm free to respond to any posts that are made, it's an open forum.
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