The Thread Killer Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, El-P said: FTR & CM Punk vs The Elite at Wembley Stadium. Please ? PLEASE ? PLEEEEEEEAAAAAAASE ??????????????? There is so much money in that match and it would be so fucking awesome if they did it. I really hope TK can make it happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Thread Killer Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, Jmare007 said: I'm honestly lost on the impact that 6-man tag could have on such a huge show. I get that it's the match that puts the 6 people that have been more vocal or "exposed" about not liking each other but August is a looong way away, and a simple tag match doesn't seem big enough for me for Wembley. And a bunch of worked shoot promos aren't gonna help build that match up. If it's a the final/grudge match between between both sides and we get a proper build of matches before, I can buy into it making a difference but if it's the first encounter I don't know, it kinda feels like a match with not a lot of stakes besides backstage bullshit, which I could see as a selling point for an arena show, but not a huge stadium. For Wembley I could see Punk vs Omega (or even Hangman) and FTR vs Bucks in a title match as better suited for that kind of show. The six man match can’t be the only main attraction but I think it could be part of a great overall package. You have to load that card. Add in a Sting retirement match, hell throw in Goldberg putting over Wardlow or Hobbs (sorry @El-P I know the match would suck but it would draw, no?) mix in a Danielson vs Okada or something, plus an MJF World Title match against someone good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 Just now, The Thread Killer said: Add in a Sting retirement match, hell throw in Goldberg putting over Wardlow or Hobbs (sorry @El-P I know the match would suck but it would draw, no?) mix in a Danielson vs Okada or something, plus an MJF World Title match against someone good? You are not wrong but I feel Punk facing The Elite should be the n°1 program on a card, not a cool add-on for a huge show. And in that scenario, I feel that for Wembley, that 6 man tag should have legit stakes (final encounter in a gimmick match) and not just the novelty of Punk coming back. I could be wrong though, like I said, I'm lost on how much impact that novelty has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Thread Killer Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Jmare007 said: You are not wrong but I feel Punk facing The Elite should be the n°1 program on a card, not a cool add-on for a huge show. Under normal circumstances, I would agree with you. However, supposedly Kenny and The Bucks are perfectly happy working trios matches…and with that scenario there is less chance of Punk getting injured…again. They could do what Cornette and Brian Last suggested and run Kenny and Don Callis vs. Punk and Ace Steel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragemaster Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 Punk Vs MJF FTR vs Young Bucks Omega Vs Will Ospreay Okada Vs Bryan Danielson, Have to check the NJPW dates to see if Okada is free? or maybe Hangman Page vs Danielson Is my guess for the top matches for Wembley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 My guess is that TK checked with Gedo and New Japan to see if the Wembley show clashed with the last day of the G-1 (I know last year it ended almost 2 weeks before the end of August). If Danielson works the G-1 and gets a W over the champ he could also challenge for the belt at All In, which would feel pretty big too in the case Okada is not available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 The Wembley show is two weeks after the G1 finals. Okada will likely be too banged-up at that point for a showcase singles match (as will Danielson if he works the tournament). I agree that Punk is available, he and FTR should work a trios match-just not against the Elite. That's a matchup that could sell a PPV by itself if built up properly, so save that for later when they might need it more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted April 13, 2023 Report Share Posted April 13, 2023 It depends on the bottom line tbh. Punk & Friends vs The Elite could sell a PPV, yeah, but it could also help fill more seats out of that 90k stadium. I think they have more to gain by promoting that at the stadium, specially when it comes to building a foreign fanbase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbo Slice Posted April 13, 2023 Report Share Posted April 13, 2023 Again. The goal is 40-50k. Not 90. You book that knowing O2 ain’t enough. The biggest draw would be Punk/FTR vs. The Elite. Tony is a long-term booker. Him announcing it now puts a lot of time between now and then, along with Punk being ready to come back. There really is no other match you can put on top that will draw that house. MJF is gonna do a big title defense two weeks later, so you just need something to pass the time. Again, if you can do the 6-man and Nigel/Bryan, that draws a huge fucking crowd. Everything else is just gravy at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ma Stump Puller Posted April 13, 2023 Report Share Posted April 13, 2023 Nigel is never wrestling in a million years lol. Love the guy but he made his peace with wrestling more than a decade ago, not to mention I wouldn't be comfortable seeing it in the first place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted April 13, 2023 Report Share Posted April 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Timbo Slice said: Again. The goal is 40-50k. Not 90. You book that knowing O2 ain’t enough. Oh, I agree. Getting 45k is already dope and is likely a profit. I'm just saying that the trios match gives them more seats filled than not doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gramsci Posted April 13, 2023 Report Share Posted April 13, 2023 Well, that and that it is the most important show in the company's history, they have to put the best possible card. I would even find the 6 man disappointing because that would mean that Omega and Punk don't have individual matches on the show. It must be a better card than any they have done in the PPVs since the start of AEW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted April 13, 2023 Report Share Posted April 13, 2023 8 hours ago, Ma Stump Puller said: Nigel is never wrestling in a million years lol. Love the guy but he made his peace with wrestling more than a decade ago, not to mention I wouldn't be comfortable seeing it in the first place Nigel in a media interview 3 weeks ago said he would be open to one more match. His stance has softened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmo Posted April 13, 2023 Report Share Posted April 13, 2023 Yeah I think 40k+ has to be the goal. If then they would probably run Craven cottage where they can get 30-35k and since they own the ground they don't have to pay to use it(although they have to deal with a difficult town council) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLB Posted April 13, 2023 Report Share Posted April 13, 2023 It's too bad AEW doesn't have any prominent UK talents on their roster that could capitalize on the venue like Punk in Chicago or Sami in Montreal. WWE has McIntyre (for now), Balor and Sheamus to represent the UK, but I'm struggling to come up with an active English star in wrestling right now. Only names I've got are Saraya, Pac, Zack Sabre, Pete Dunne, Big F'n Joe or Marty Scurll (RIP). That could give Nigel a lot of shine on that show if he does have a match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted April 13, 2023 Report Share Posted April 13, 2023 WWE sold 30k tickets for Clash at the Castle in the pre-sale and 10k more in the first day of sales to the general public. And London is a much more convenient travel destination than Cardiff for fans in UK and the mainland. It's conceivable AEW could do 40-50k paid before a single match is announced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoS Posted April 13, 2023 Report Share Posted April 13, 2023 Dave on the latest WOR spent 15 seconds reporting actual news - that there are no plans yet for Punk/FTR v. Elite as yet - and about 15 minutes detailing his thoughts on what he thinks Punk/FTR's "intentions" are for talking about a potential return and match. It's kind of BS really; I highly doubt Punk has told him that his comments about his return are in bad faith, his intention is to be unprofessional "under the guise of being professional" and that in reality, he wants the Elite to leave AEW. All of this is pure speculation on his part. I would have thought he'd have learnt his lesson from the last time he spoke about Punk - and then spent an entire WOR episode apologising for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoS Posted April 13, 2023 Report Share Posted April 13, 2023 Part of what he said - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrodak Posted April 13, 2023 Report Share Posted April 13, 2023 The thing about that framing is it’s basically unfalsifiable. Any Punk/Elite feud is going to be a worked shoot thing, and one cannot really know in that context what someone was “really doing” with this or that context. I hope at least Punk is creative enough to *avoid* some stale Russo retread, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Thread Killer Posted April 13, 2023 Report Share Posted April 13, 2023 14 minutes ago, MoS said: Dave on the latest WOR spent 15 seconds reporting actual news - that there are no plans yet for Punk/FTR v. Elite as yet - and about 15 minutes detailing his thoughts on what he thinks Punk/FTR's "intentions" are for talking about a potential return and match. It's kind of BS really; I highly doubt Punk has told him that his intention is to be unprofessional "under the guise of being professional" and that in reality, he wants the Elite to leave AEW. All of this is pure speculation on his part. I would have thought he'd have learnt his lesson from the last time he spoke about Punk - and then spent an entire WOR episode apologising for it. I saw an extended clip of that. What a bizarre theory from Meltzer. Punk doesn’t really want to come back because his potential return has been leaked…and if he really did want to come back it would be a surprise, therefore this is all some sort of Machiavellian plan by Punk to screw with the EVPs? I think even Meltzer’s biggest defenders would have to admit he has made some glaring and in some cases bizarre mistakes during his handling of this entire story, right from the start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadMick Posted April 13, 2023 Report Share Posted April 13, 2023 17 hours ago, Jmare007 said: My guess is that TK checked with Gedo and New Japan to see if the Wembley show clashed with the last day of the G-1 (I know last year it ended almost 2 weeks before the end of August). If Danielson works the G-1 and gets a W over the champ he could also challenge for the belt at All In, which would feel pretty big too in the case Okada is not available. Has there been any discussion of Danielson entering the G1? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted April 13, 2023 Report Share Posted April 13, 2023 2 hours ago, BigBadMick said: Has there been any discussion of Danielson entering the G1? We don't know. Last thing discussed was both Tony and Danielson talking about it in interviews in the context of the Revolution match against MFJ, both saying it would be difficult to let him do it if Danielson was AEW champion. Bryan did say that if he got Tony's permissions he would like to do it with other AEW wrestlers (Claudio, Mox and Eddie) so they could have a fun tour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Wolfe Posted April 13, 2023 Report Share Posted April 13, 2023 Wembley will look pretty empty at 45k Have a look at the league two play off final from last year then keep in mind they'll have the floor/pitch to try and fill too That usually gets 35-40k and does not look or feel full at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strobogo Posted April 13, 2023 Report Share Posted April 13, 2023 I'm sure they will just not open one side, much like WWE did for Summerslam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted April 13, 2023 Report Share Posted April 13, 2023 Yeah, it's on AEW to run a set up were 40-45k looks impressive. That a lot of people in one place regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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