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[TheDuke]

Jericho's new list: the list of his shitty booking ideas. 

[MikeCampbell]

I saw on Twitter that Jacobs was one of the people against the idea of pushing both Daniel Garcia and Takeshita. Which makes the booking at Wrestle Dream extra interesting.

[NintendoLogic]

Bryan Danielson recruited Jacobs to AEW, which is more evidence that Bryan should be kept far away from the book.

[PeteF3]

2 hours ago, MikeCampbell said:

I saw on Twitter that Jacobs was one of the people against the idea of pushing both Daniel Garcia and Takeshita. Which makes the booking at Wrestle Dream extra interesting.

Yeah, I'm not sure how much I buy that supposed list. Some real, "Tony Khan loved me, it was that damn Jimmy Jacobs who fucked me over" vibes a la Vince and Johnny Ace.

[sek69]

Its obviously super early, but it sure feels like this BCC vs the world stuff sure feels like Tony is trying to re-book the nWo angle only not making WCW look like total chumps and actually winning in the end.

[NintendoLogic]

Spoiler

If you're a Jericho hater with a strong stomach, be sure to check out Terrifier 3.

 

[strobogo]

No, because Terrifier 1 was trash, 2 was worse. Those movies are just the same trash as the peak of torture porn era of horror movies but with a more direct slasher bent. Just meanspirited SO OFFENSIVE shit that also feels like the director/writer guy has a genuine fetish for torturing women. 

[Jmare007]

AEW doing the bare minimum and promoting shows and matches in advance once again is good news. I hope they don't drop it and actually build from there with more agressive local promoting, at least once 2025 starts.

[Alucard]

Continental Classic 2024 starts this week. Finals at Worlds End PPV on Dec 28.

BLUE LEAGUE
Kazuchika Okada
Kyle Fletcher
Daniel Garcia
Mark Briscoe
The Beast Mortos
Shelton Benjamin

GOLD LEAGUE
Will Ospreay
Juice Robinson
Brody King
Ricochet
Claudio Castagnoli
Darby Allin

[BigBadMick]

Darby needs to stay strong if facing Mov at World's End. Same with Castagnoli - enforcer of death riders, too early for him to rack up losses. Ospreay is Ospreay - he can drop a few matches but needs to be in with chance of getting to finals (Ospreay v Okada or Fletcher seems likely final). Ricochet should do better than King and Robinson.

[BigBadMick]

Mortos and Briscoe are the most dispensable on Collision side, but they'll both knock out a few bangers on the way.

Benjamin - fairly fresh, needs a decent showing. Same with Garcia - has to do better than last year.

Okada and Fletcher the obvious favourites - and they should have a spectacular match.

[BigBadMick]

Thinking it through, they booked the right amount of top guys, midcarders and lower-rung talent. 

Really excited for this.

[El-P]

Coming off weeks of very much hit and miss weekly TV (hit : Deathriders angle / Ospreay/Kyle /Moné/Statlander ; miss : Cole/MJF, stable of 50 years old ex-WWE guys) and a mostly great PPV, I was really looking forward to the CC2.

On paper, Gold League looks awesome from top to bottom. Blue League looks obvious but really good, that is unless Mortos is there to eat pins (like he's probably there to) and Shelton is not there to hit pins (like he should considering his age, his career status and the fact he's been a gigantic LOLTNA moment thus far on AEW TV), and really he should not be in this thing at all with all the *young* and *fresh* talent that would benefit from this instead.

Obviously the final should be Ospreay vs Okada at Wrestle Dynasty, ya know, but I guess it also could (and probably will) be Ospreay vs Fletcher II at World's End

Kinda surprised to see Darby there though, since I expected him (still do) to win the title from Mox.

I wonder when Eddie is gonna be back. He fit right there with the current direction and Mox as main heel character.

At this point, with the lottery TV rights, Rampage going away (thankfully, it had really turned into  a completely useless show), hopefully a ROH TV show that would look actually *different*, Coach TK should just not give two fuck and do whatever he wants and tell everyone in Da Business to go fuck themselves. When you see the amount of ridiculous hatred toward AEW (every Youtube channel and podcast is seemingly a "dump on AEW" gimmick it seems), it's just not even worth listening to any of the noise. There's plenty to criticize, but really now, just be not-WWE (and not-TNA, uh ?), have great PPVs and I'll be fine with it.

[Tetsujin]

People are not ready for how insanely good of a run Juice Robinson is gonna have on the C2.

[Blehschmidt]

I keep seeing people saying that. Saying that this is going to be the coming out party for Juice Robinson. This is not me trying to be a dick, this is me genuinely asking.... What am I missing? I don't get get it. I find him annoying as fuck on the microphone. I think his look sucks, and I find the ring work I've seen from him in AEW mediocre at best.  (Never saw him in New Japan to be fair)

[sek69]

So Ricky Starks was supposed to do 3 matches in GCW off of the promo he did (one was announced/advertised already), but AEW got mad about the company complaining about them booking Hammerstein so close to the GCW show and pulled him.

I almost hope this is all part of some angle because it's stupid for GCW to get mad over it since ROH has run Final Battle in December for literal decades, and frequently in the Hammerstein.

[El-P]

I wonder if someone is trying to get a sweet WWEID contract, uh Effy ?

I mean, AEW just had Mox, Marina and MVP at Bloodsport. Hell, MVP main-evented Bloodsport. GCW has booked tons of AEW over the years. But the new thing is "WWE is helping the indies now" so we're gonna see more and more of this. How could this turn poorly ?

The hilarious part is Starks in the middle. The guy is now the martyr of all things "TK is as bad as Vince". The cesspool known as r/squaredcircle is gonna explode over this. The most absurd part of it is that the guy, for all we know, is *not even asking for his release*. 

Meanwhile, Cardona is being hilarious about it.

[El-P]

So basically.

Lauderdale complains about AEW booking the Hammerstein.

Ricky Starks gets up his ass to work GCW and cuts a promo basically bashing AEW.

Effy makes public a clip from his Patreon Podcast (who the fuck is paying to listen to a podcast ?) where he basically says Shad Khan is paying Tony to stay away from his business.

AEW pulls Ricky Starks from woking GCW.

Lauderdale is like "uh, oh I don't understand, this isn't ideal, we promised our fan something we can't deliver now, why are we punished ?"

The most hilarious parts is all those people who are so very concerned by "workers rights" and against "billionaires" suddenly and very specifically. I guess they boycott anything related to TKO then... 

What a dumpster fire. Like I said before, since now everything is about how AEW is soooo bad, they should go straight into rogue don't give a fuck mode. The guy is indeed a billionaire's son and can waste money up the wazoo. With the TV deal secured for at least three years, if I were him I'd go "Yeah, ya know, this is getting tedious, I'm gonna be a piece of shit now."

[sek69]

Tony should start cutting promos on GCW "Vince in Memphis" style.

[sek69]

On 11/25/2024 at 4:40 AM, El-P said:

Shelton is not there to hit pins (like he should considering his age, his career status and the fact he's been a gigantic LOLTNA moment thus far on AEW TV), and really he should not be in this thing at all with all the *young* and *fresh* talent that would benefit from this instead.

Personally I've been glad to see him get his due after being underappreciated in WWE for so long, and he's the perfect player/coach type who's older but can still go.

[El-P]

9 hours ago, sek69 said:

Personally I've been glad to see him get his due after being underappreciated in WWE for so long, and he's the perfect player/coach type who's older but can still go.

Sure. He should be in the Chris Daniels spot of they really want him. But putting a 49 years old WWE JTTS for life over guys like Sammy Guevara, Komander and especially Lio Rush is absurd. I understand it was a way to build him to lose to Swerve (so Swerve could lose clean to Lashley, don't get me started on that one), but there's plenty of people whom he could beat. Komander had that stellar performance against Kyle Fletcher where he got over so big, and it leads to zero (I've giving up on expecting anything for poor Komander, the guy should get the Hologram push really, and while I'm at it, Fénix should have received that single push at some point, but that's neither here nor there). Lio Rush should be pushed as the singular talent he is. Not to mention, I have been very underwhelmed by Benjamin in his three matches, which were all made at 90% by their opponents bumping around his slow-as-snail ass. Maybe he'll find his groove in the C2, hopefully he will, but thus far he strikes me as a waste of time and money and counterproductive push on TV. 

[Stiva]

Hasn’t Lio Rush been there twice before and flaked out early? Like, I’d wait a minute before giving him a good push too. There’s plenty to criticise about AEW losing sight of who and how to push but he and Komander aren’t the two sore spots for me. Hologram was doing pretty, pretty well before his injury. Now if we’re talking Mortos not getting his dues, then I can get with you.

As for Lashley and Hurt Business, they feel like stars tbh and they need as many as they can get right now. The idea you’d see the reaction Shelton got for his debut and then relegate him to a Chris Daniels ROH spot is wild 

[El-P]

39 minutes ago, Stiva said:

Now if we’re talking Mortos not getting his dues, then I can get with you.

Mortos, for sure. Hologram was doing fine when working against other luchadors. But the reality is that he's not as good as Komander, who gets over despite never winning a match. Hologram also has a really lame third-tier luchador outfit and mask. 

39 minutes ago, Stiva said:

As for Lashley and Hurt Business, they feel like stars tbh and they need as many as they can get right now. The idea you’d see the reaction Shelton got for his debut and then relegate him to a Chris Daniels ROH spot is wild 

Of course he got a big reaction. Anyone coming from WWE does at first. The reality is that it means nothing in the grand scheme of things. People already in the building popping for someone who is not drawing is a forever thing. Sid was the same way. People popped huge for him, he never drew jackshit.

The reality is that I would not have hired Benjamin to begin with. MVP basically being the most valuable in the long run as he's an awesome promo and can even bump as a manager, he can help get talent over. Lashley, who knows. If he's coming in with the Adam Copeland mentality of working, cool. Still. There's way too many 50 years old ex-WWE guy on this roster. One reason NXT is hot again is because they built around young people. Really young people. That's what AEW need to do too. Kyle Fletcher is exactly what they should be aiming at. There are steps in the right directions, but to me thus far the Hurt Syndicate on TV reeks of TNA circa 2011. Which is funny, because the MVP/Lashley stable is actually a TNA thing if I remember right. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt both in term of how they are booked and how they deliver in the ring, but I can't say that when you think "alternative", you think of 50 years old guys who come there to "end their career", as MVP puts it (likewise what Adam Copeland said). There's plenty of things AEW can and would want to be. The retirement home for ex-WWE guys isn't one of them. 

[sek69]

They've been doing the bit where MVP is going around attempting to recruit the young folks, and him as the mouthpiece for someone who has all the tools but maybe isn't the greatest at promos yet could be money.

[Tetsujin]

On 11/26/2024 at 12:40 AM, Blehschmidt said:

I keep seeing people saying that. Saying that this is going to be the coming out party for Juice Robinson. This is not me trying to be a dick, this is me genuinely asking.... What am I missing? I don't get get it. I find him annoying as fuck on the microphone. I think his look sucks, and I find the ring work I've seen from him in AEW mediocre at best.  (Never saw him in New Japan to be fair)

That's the thing. He was awesome there, and he specially took advantage of the G1 format, although he was a babyface underdog there and that is his better role by far, something I don't think we're going to see in the C2.