Strummer Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 Meltz said in his update Heyman would have some control over the show but not complete yet so that would explain a lot tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 I feel like the two things WWE need to do to make RAW feel different (and better) are get rid of Kevin Dunn & get rid of Michael Cole. They both drag the show down in different ways. The camera stuff kills the enjoyment of visually watching. The commentary kills the audible enjoyment of listening. It's a TV show that you watch & listen to where the watching & listening is not good. That's like having fire that isn't hot or that doesn't burn. This show felt like a better step into the right direction but they gotta get rid of those constants that have been hindering the show forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...TG Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 Loved the AJ heel turn - he's been stale for a while now - but man that beat down cried out for some of Ricochet's fellow babyfaces to run to the ring to break it up. Maybe all those people who hugged him after he won the title could have done it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 32 minutes ago, ...TG said: Loved the AJ heel turn - he's been stale for a while now - but man that beat down cried out for some of Ricochet's fellow babyfaces to run to the ring to break it up. Maybe all those people who hugged him after he won the title could have done it? Because all of those geeks secretly want to join The Club so they can "too sweet" AJ, Anderson, and Gallows over and over whenever they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microstatistics Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Coffey said: I feel like the two things WWE need to do to make RAW feel different (and better) are get rid of Kevin Dunn & get rid of Michael Cole. They both drag the show down in different ways. The camera stuff kills the enjoyment of visually watching. The commentary kills the audible enjoyment of listening. It's a TV show that you watch & listen to where the watching & listening is not good. That's like having fire that isn't hot or that doesn't burn. This show felt like a better step into the right direction but they gotta get rid of those constants that have been hindering the show forever. And Renee Young. And Corey Graves. The entire commentary scene is poor. Nigel McGuinness is the only good commentator in WWE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 If your argument is that we need to remove Michael Cole AND have more or the same of Corey Graves and Renee Young than no fucking way. For all of Michael Cole's flaws he is really the only adult steering the wheel while the 2 children in the backseat and yelling at each other to see who can be the loudest. If you are talking about a complete overhaul including the style then sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 What would changing the announcers accomplish if Vince/Kevin Dunn or a similar proxy is in their ear? Perhaps there's an argument for simply hearing a different voice spout the same lingo, but in truth it likely won't accomplish much as long as they remain consistently overproduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 9 hours ago, Strummer said: Meltz said in his update Heyman would have some control over the show but not complete yet so that would explain a lot tonight “Hey Dave, just so you know, I did the good stuff and Vince did the bad stuff.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 The problem with Michael Cole is that everything out of his mouth sounds cheesy & corny. He's the antithesis of cool. It's been talked about before, but if he's the voice that's trying to get over your babyfaces, it makes you immediately not want to support the babyfaces. He makes them uncool. Michael Cole is the wrestling commentator equivalent to the middle aged white mom dancing to hip hop music in the audience at an Ellen taping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDuke Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 I would like to point out that Michael Cole is not on Smackdown and it still isn't good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 I thought Michael Cole did a hell of a job selling the Braun-Bobby aftermath when he stood up after the commercial break and gave an update. His background as a news reporter kicked in there. When he's in a role like that, he's actually very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Zoo Enthusiast said: “Hey Dave, just so you know, I did the good stuff and Vince did the bad stuff.” Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 Meltzer on WOR said Maria really is pregnant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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El-P Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 14 hours ago, Strummer said: Guys is Tommy or Raven the father?!? Tune into next week's Hardcore TV Maria doesn't remember... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 2 hours ago, TheDuke said: I would like to point out that Michael Cole is not on Smackdown and it still isn't good. The main problem with the announcers is having Vince yelling in their headset trying to make them do it like they were Vince in the 80s calling an episode of Superstars. That's why the announcing is mostly good outside the main roster (hello Mauro), you see improvement there, and it's why everyone tends to get worse when they get called up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin' Brian Posted July 2, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 1 hour ago, sek69 said: The main problem with the announcers is having Vince yelling in their headset trying to make them do it like they were Vince in the 80s calling an episode of Superstars. That's why the announcing is mostly good outside the main roster (hello Mauro), you see improvement there, and it's why everyone tends to get worse when they get called up. I'd love to see a Vince McMahon impersonator call the show, or maybe John Cena as Lance Catamaran from Southpaw Regional Wrestling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 Michael Cole is possibly the best play by play guy out there, but being micromanaged to the point of madness doesn't do him any favors. When he's in more loose settings, he's awesome. Beast in the East, UK Tournament and MYC2 are evidences that dude is great. One guy I can totally see becoming a very good color commentator in the future is The Miz. Back when he was a guest during some of his feuds, dude just loved analyzing matches, the action and motivations etc. So good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 Daniel Bryan would be a great commentator as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMJ Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 - Actually watched more of Raw than usual based on the hype about Heyman coming in as the "Executive Producer" or whatever his title is now. I still think the show has fundamental flaws that nobody can fix. Namely, the 3 hour running time. As good as this show was - and there were some parts that were entertaining and felt fresh - I still found myself fast-forwarding through most of it. Granted, had that been an option in the late 90s, I'm guessing I would've fast-forwarded through much of those shows too. I mean, The Godfather and Steve Blackman seem like a great guys and all, but if I could've got my fix of Steve Austin and The Rock without sitting through their matches, I would've been just as happy. - What was with the "Hot Asian Wife" thing? Super creepy and I'm glad (hoping) it will be dropped. Its 2019 - a wrestler feuding with another wrestler for the right to rape their wife is gross. - On the flip side, I liked the Maria angle (or at least the start of it). Its trashy, for sure, but the stark difference is that in the "Hot Asian Wife" angle, the nameless wife has no agency. They are a prize to be gambled and won. The Maria angle has given a talented, wasted non-wrestler a new role to play, albeit a very crass one, and a way to get heat. I'm hoping they don't go too too far into the cuckold thing - in fact, having put the pedal on the gas this week I'm hoping they cruise for awhile and just make this about Mike wanting to "prove he's a man" by winning wrestling matches while Maria berates him - but I could just as easily see this devolving into something really putrid and gross (for example, "Twist: Mike likes being cuckolded" or "Twist: The father is a black wrestler because, well, you know what they say, pal!") - Liked the opening angle. Didn't like the Michael Cole "serious" voice and other wrestlers sending their thoughts and prayers to "Bobby and Braun." It was a wrestling angle on a wrestling show. The actual spot and the production around it was excellent (loved the high camera angle looking down), but once they came from the break, it should've been time for another match. Keep the show moving. I know, I know, they have 3 hours to fill so they need to fill it with replays and the commentators expressing their sadness, blah blah...but the show does seem to lack "urgency" and even after a well-produced, great moment, a good quality TV show should be ready to keep you glued to your seat for the next thing. The next thing was a New Day/Viking Raiders match. Not exactly the hottest two acts I can think of right now (and I say this as a fan of both). - Ricochet/Styles is already a more interesting feud to me than Rollins/Corbin ever was. Speaking of Rollins, yeah, the stuff with Becky was cringe-inducing. Hopefully Heyman is going to wrap up this entire storyline at Extreme Rules and move them away from each other. Becky Lynch is supposed to be this cool character but I'm far more interested in the Bliss/Nikki Cross storyline right now. I think Becky could still carry a good feud, it is such a shame that she has been sandbagged with Lacey Evans and we haven't seen her mix it up with any of the more interesting women on the roster. There really is potential for good, character-based feuds there that they don't even seem to want to try at all. I really, really pray this isn't building to a Andrade & Charlotte feud (again, I say this as a fan of both, just not interested in seeing Rollins & Becky's real-life romance become the basis of storylines). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 According to PWI, Maria Kanellis informed WWE that she was pregnant after she and Mike signed their new deals. They obviously can't do much to her, but if this segment is any indication, MIke's going to be eating a ton of shit over the next nine months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 SD's opens with the Kevin Owens show after a bomb-ass RAW. Kay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 Looks like Owens is turning back babyface Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 KO please ask Drew how does it feel to be an absolute flop in two separate moments after so much hype Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenese Sarwieh Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 Oh boy here comes Dolph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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