Is the empire crumbling before our eyes?

[sek69]

I wonder if the real issue was with the company not getting a piece of the action.

[sek69]

Just now, NintendoLogic said:

She probably makes enough off the page that it made financial sense to risk getting fired by WWE, especially if she has no plans to wrestle elsewhere. PVZ once said she made more in a month from her OnlyFans than her entire BKFC contract, which is a seven-figure deal.

I would go out on a limb and assume WWE was the lesser of the two gigs money wise so for her it was probably a no brainer.

[El-P]

Amazing that they built her entire character (and Toxic Attraction) as sex-symbols and using their body to try and get ratings, but now her using the same body and the same sex-appeal for her own direct benefit is "not a good look", from slut-shaming idiotic WWE drones.

3 minutes ago, sek69 said:

I wonder if the real issue was with the company not getting a piece of the action.

I absolutely did not read it the way you intended to, and it has everything to do with the latest on Vince.

Maybe Saraya can get a special tag-partner. I know, we've been there before and it has not always paid off, but honestly considering the context, I don't care and I jump on the opportunity to send a FU to WWE.

[KawadaSmile]

1 hour ago, sek69 said:

Mandy Rose was released due to her side hustle Onlyfans-like page.

Just some of the pettiest shit. Like, they HAD to be aware of that page's existence. Even if they are going to punish her for supposedly raunchy content, why flat out release her? Such bullshit.

[Coffey]

So they basically stripped her of the title and fired her for having an OnlyFans page in 2022? Yeah, seems like the same old outdated mentality from WWE. She had been really good on TV lately, too. Yet they'll still call their talents Independent Contractors & not let them do anything outside of WWE... but don't dare ask for them to give their not-employees any benefits. 

[Tenese Sarwieh]

Coke'd up Riddle, OF Mandy, and comeback Vince. What  time to be alive in the world if WWE.

[Migs]

4 minutes ago, sek69 said:

I wonder if this means she can be billed as Mandy Rose elsewhere since it's her real name (Rose is her middle name).

Has she gotten better from a wrestling perspective?

[sek69]

She's not going to be having work rate classics, but she's way better than her main roster stint. Plus her promos and character work was some of the best parts of NXT.

[Champagne]

Mandy's side hustle became a problem for WWE and advertisers when it veered into softcore porn with photos of her getting rammed from behind by her boyfriend, along with rating the dicks of her paid subscribers.

[El-P]

Why ? She did not give good ratings ? 

[sek69]

7 minutes ago, El-P said:

She did not give good ratings ? 

I mean that's kind of implied in "paid subscribers " am I right (I kid,I kid)

[El-P]

1 minute ago, sek69 said:

I mean that's kind of implied in "paid subscribers " am I right (I kid,I kid)

Hey, if she can make 60$ a piece selling pics of her pussy and giving a * rating to a willing dick pic, more power to her.

Also, funny how after Vince is getting sued for RAPE and more sexual assault stuff, now the discourse is distracted toward Mandy. WWE : influencing the world. 

[sek69]

It would be gross for anyone, but it seems extra gross for them to push Mandy as the hottest woman on earth then firing her for daring to monetize said hotness. 
 

[Blehschmidt]

Did the dicks get higher ratings if they were in the Tokyo Dome?

[NintendoLogic]

I mean, it's not unreasonable for a company that does business with Mattel to not want their performers to put out softcore porn on the side. The fact that they cut ties so abruptly after pushing her so heavily over the past year leads me to believe that either she wasn't entirely forthcoming about how explicit her content was or they told her to tone it down and she ignored them.

[SirEdger]

FWIW, Bryan Alvarez claimed that the reason WWE fired Mandy is because she refused to drop the FanTime site and the door is open for her to return the minute she drops it.

[Tenese Sarwieh]

No way she's giving up that easy money; her best move is to tell WWE to hit the bricks and up those prices. 

[El-P]

44 minutes ago, NintendoLogic said:

I mean, it's not unreasonable for a company that does business with Mattel to not want their performers to put out softcore porn on the side. 

I'm sure Mattel will have no issue doing toys with Gable Stevenson either.

[The Thread Killer]

27 minutes ago, NintendoLogic said:

I mean, it's not unreasonable for a company that does business with Mattel to not want their performers to put out softcore porn on the side. The fact that they cut ties so abruptly after pushing her so heavily over the past year leads me to believe that either she wasn't entirely forthcoming about how explicit her content was or they told her to tone it down and she ignored them.

Sure…but you’re forgetting the logical counter-argument of: “Aargh righteous outrage something something Vince McMahon something something Saudi Arabia!!!”

I have told this story before here, but I will mention it again. The last company I worked for had a strict policy that you were simply not allowed to mention that you were an employee of the company on Facebook or Twitter or any other form of social media. Any violation of this policy would result in immediate termination.  

Of course, there were a wide variety of people who thought that was entirely unfair and complained about it. The standard response was that the employee in question could always feel free to not work there and then they can post whatever they wanted, wherever they wanted.

Bottom line is, if you are going to take a company’s money to work, then you should probably understand that they have social media and/or morality clauses and also policies surrounding outside work in general. If you feel that is unfair or you can’t work within those parameters then obviously, you go work somewhere else. 

This kind of stuff goes on in all sorts of companies, in all sorts of different lines of work. Fair? Maybe not. Reality? Yes.

[El-P]

10 minutes ago, The Thread Killer said:

Bottom line is, if you are going to take a company’s money to work, then you should probably understand that they have social media and/or morality clauses and also policies surrounding outside work in general.

Say that again without bursting out laughing at the amazing hypocrisy. And yes indeed, Saudi Arabia motherfucker. 

Also : "independent contractors"

Also : years of sexualizing women, including her, telling girls in NXT they have to dress sexier and show flesh and then talk about "morality" and "sponsors" (and once again : Saudi Arabia motherfucker)

Also : ignoring the amazing timing of it while Vince is accused of rape and sexual assault again.

It's just pathetic, on pretty much every level.

[El-P]

13 minutes ago, Tenese Sarwieh said:

No way she's giving up that easy money; her best move is to tell WWE to hit the bricks and up those prices. 

This. Just PVZ your way into not giving a fuck.

[The Thread Killer]

Trust me, the aforementioned company that I worked for was most likely involved in all sorts of shady shit. The CEO got fired for being involved in a extramarital affair with the CEO of a competing company, where it seemed like they were sleeping with each other, and stealing industrial secrets from one another at the same time. It was huge news.

I STILL had to sign the stupid contract and abide by it if I wanted to work and pay my bills and eat and support my family and stuff like that. That’s just the way of the world. I looked into it carefully and discovered much to my dismay that moral outrage doesn’t pay very much.

I guess it kind of sucks that Mandy Rose got fired, but in all honesty, she works for a publicly traded company, and she was selling pictures of herself having sex so what the hell did she think was going to happen? It’s not like she was going to win entrepreneur of the year.

Vince or Matt Riddle or anybody else being scummy doesn’t make her choices any less questionable. As a human being she has every right to do whatever she wants to make money so long as she’s not hurting somebody else or breaking the law, but by the same token, it’s hopelessly naïve to expect to get away with something like that in ANY sort of corporate environment. This is hardly exclusive to WWE. There was a big scandal just a couple of weeks ago, where a schoolteacher and her husband got fired for having an OnlyFans page. There is some stuff you just can’t get away with and hold down a normal job. That’s just the way it is.

[El-P]

5 minutes ago, The Thread Killer said:

There was a big scandal just a couple of weeks ago, where a schoolteacher and her husband got fired for having an OnlyFans page.

If that's the same story I'm thinking about, they used the classroom to shoot a scene, that's very different. 

5 minutes ago, The Thread Killer said:

There is some stuff you just can’t get away with and hold down a normal job. 

Well, there's a lot of work to be done in term of recognize sex-work as work and prevent slut-shaming.

Funny how the same corporate publicly traded company had no qualms about making several exposé in Playboy with several "Divas" some years back. The one real difference is that, well, they were making money off of it. And that brings us back to the bullshit independent contractor status that, in any other realm, would have been successfully contested. I mean, if Uber drivers somewhere can make their status changed to employees, pro-wrestler should be able to do so as well.

[The Thread Killer]

I was literally just reading online that the whole reason Mandy Rose got sent back to NXT was because they had invested a significant amount of money into her contract, but she was not improving at the rate they thought she should and there was some question regarding her overall potential and viability as a long-term member of the roster. I don’t know how reliable the sources are, but apparently there was some question about her interest in improving or her willingness to learn. I guess the transfer back to NXT was looked upon as a last chance for her to get her shit together.

Then she supposedly refused to get vaccinated so some people are saying this OnlyFans deal was pretty much the straw that broke the camel’s back. But who knows how much truth there is to that, we will have to wait to see if more reliable news sources pick it up.

[The Thread Killer]

10 minutes ago, El-P said:

And that brings us back to the bullshit independent contractor status that, in any other realm, would have been successfully contested. I mean, if Uber drivers somewhere can make their status changed to employees, pro-wrestler should be able to do so as well.

I don’t disagree with you one little bit about the independent contractor status. That is the biggest pile of shit I have ever heard in my entire life. I have heard the arguments from guys who actually think that it’s not a bad thing but as far as I’m concerned, if a company is paying you and they tell you that you can’t work somewhere else…then you are an employee.

The problem is if people like Mandy Rose were actual legal employees then they would have even more restrictions placed on them by the company, not less. I just don’t see any possible scenario where you can get away with working for a publicly traded company that has advertisers and network TV contracts, and still get away with producing adult content on the side. All corporations are far too risk and liability adverse for that to ever work.