Dave Meltzer stuff

[WingedEagle]

Is it possible to access WON/F4W podcasts through the Apple Podcasts app? If not, what do you folks use?

[Johnny Sorrow]

That clip of Alvarez losing his mind at Meltzer about the AEW overrun issue with YouTube TV and DVR's is hilarious. Alvarez can be a tool but he was completely right and listening to him lose it on Dave is some funny shit.

[Embrodak]

“Format your show competently or work with your broadcast partner to build in an overrun so people don’t have to do trickery to record it properly and see the whole thing” is a pretty low bar as far as expectations go, idk why Dave felt the need to be defensive about that. Kinda harms your objectivity as a journalist if you can’t even be antagonistic to the object of your coverage on something so trivial.

[fxnj]

Do people still regard Dave as a reliable news source? It's well documented how badly he dropped the ball with the big Punk and Rock stories, but I'm also noticing a lot of other bizarre misinformation that gets quickly debunked. Examples from the latest newsletter are him claiming Dreamer is head of TNA creative and that CMLL wrestlers can't appear on the same AEW shows as non-CMLL wrestlers.

[Control21]

2 hours ago, fxnj said:

Do people still regard Dave as a reliable news source? It's well documented how badly he dropped the ball with the big Punk and Rock stories, but I'm also noticing a lot of other bizarre misinformation that gets quickly debunked. Examples from the latest newsletter are him claiming Dreamer is head of TNA creative and that CMLL wrestlers can't appear on the same AEW shows as non-CMLL wrestlers.

He's been very sloppy lately. He's always been to some degree, but the last two years or so have been especially poor. Maybe his age is catching up to him

[NintendoLogic]

Dave clarified that non-CMLL Mexican wrestlers can't wrestle on the same show as CMLL wrestlers, which appears to be true. The original report was sloppy wording on his part, which is a recurring issue for him. Another example is the HOF voting criteria. He uses "historical significance" and "historical influence" interchangeably, but the latter is a much higher standard. You think he would know better given the army of losers who seem to have nothing better to do than to pick apart his every word for inaccuracies both real and imagined, but I guess not.

[C.S.]

Dave Meltzer may have lost a step or two - I'm not sure - but Dave Scherer re-solidifies his toxic reputation with tweets like this:

I don't know about you, but I'd still trust Meltzer over the fawning sycophant masquerading as a "journalist" who worked for promotions and gave them biased coverage, and whose website used to (and maybe still does) infect its readers' devices with spyware. About the only positive is that he possibly wasn't as bad as Bob Ryder and eventually got out of bed with him, but that's faint "praise."

[PeteF3]

Regardless, Meltzer has an absolutely brutal week. In one issue of the Observer he had the CMLL-AEW policy mess, he named Tommy Dreamer as the head of creative for TNA which PWInsider and SRS both raced to debunk, and then somehow in his Smackdown recap he recapped a backstage segment between Rock and Triple H from like 10 years ago that was making the rounds on Twitter for some reason. Somehow Triple H looking 10 years younger (when many including Dave himself have pointed out how much he's aged recently) and Stephanie's presence didn't tip him off that this was old footage.

[strobogo]

Everything about the Rock/WM stuff has been embarrassing for Dave. Dude has reported 5 different "this is the real story" updates, and it is so clear he's not clued in at all. 

[Kadaveri]

2023 Observer Awards

 

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4. Alex Pereira (10) 114

5. Jon Jones (6) 79

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3. WWE Smackdown (128) 1,434

4. CMLL Super Viernes (67) 518

5. WWE NXT (3) 309

PRO WRESTLING MATCH OF THE YEAR

1. KENNY OMEGA VS. WILL OSPREAY 1/4 TOKYO (474) 3,018

2. Kenny Omega vs. Will Ospreay 6/25 Toronto (116) 1,227

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5. Jamahal Hill vs. Glover Teixeira 2/21 Rio de Janeiro (8) 83

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4. Shota Umino 49

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MOST CHARISMATIC

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5. Cody Rhodes 49

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2. Zack Sabre Jr. 427

3. Josh Alexander 17

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1. JON MOXLEY 383**

2. Tomohiro Ishii 91

3. Adam Page 78

4. Eddie Kingston 74

5. Gunther 46

BEST FLYING WRESTLER

1. EL HIJO DEL VIKINGO 595

2. Will Ospreay 52

3. Rey Fenix 37

4. Mascara Dorada 36

5. Komander 28

ROOKIE OF THE YEAR

1. YUMA ANZAI 205

2. Action Andretti 140

3. Megan Bayne 65

4. Oleg Boltin 49

5. Kelani Jordan 38

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1. DON CALLIS 266

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3. CM Punk 63

4. Tyrus 62

5. MJF 55

MOST UNDERRATED

1. CHAD GABLE 84

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3. Daniel Garcia 50

4. Mike Bailey 49

5. Yota Tsuji 42

BEST TELEVISION ANNOUNCER

1. EXCALIBUR 183

2. Ian Riccaboni 139

3. Kevin Kelly 137

4. Nigel McGuinness 133

5. Chris Charlton 89

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1. BOOKER T 198

2. Kevin Patrick 162

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4. Michael Cole 48

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4. WWE WrestleMania night one 4/1 Los Angeles 101

5. AEW All Out 9/3 Chicago 72

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1. WWE CROWN JEWEL 11/4 RIYADH, SAUDI ARABIA 141

2. NWA Samhain 10/28 Cleveland 89

3. AEW Worlds End 12/30 Uniondale, NY 79

4. WWE Fastlane 10/7 Indianapolis 51

5. AAA TripleMania 8/12 Mexico City 50

BEST WRESTLING MANEUVER

1. WILL OSPREAY HIDDEN BLADE 139

2. Will Ospreay stormbreaker 76

3. Kenny Omega one winged angel 68

4. El Hijo del Vikingo second rope step up 630 58

5. Komander ropewalk shooting star 32

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1. WWE ENABLING VINCE MCMAHON AND HIM BEING BACK IN POWER/TKO KEEPING HIM IN POSITION OF POWER 197

2. WWE Continued relationship with Saudi Arabia 140

3. NWA cocaine spot on PPV 89

4. Powerslap and continuing on TV after Dana White slapped his wife 83

5. AEW signing Ric Flair 49

WORST TELEVISION SHOW 1. NWA POWERR 194

1. WWE Raw 176

2. WWE NXT 112

3. Powerslap: Road to the Title 109

4. AEW Rampage 80

WORST MATCH OF THE YEAR

1. BRAY WYATT VS. LA KNIGHT 1/28 SAN ANTONIO 105

2. Tyrus vs. EC 3 8/27 St. Louis 85

3. Shane McMahon/Snoop Dogg vs. The Miz 4/2 Los Angeles 58

4. Baron Corbin vs. Gable Steveson 7/30 Cedar Park, TX 47

5. Ronda Rousey vs. Shayna Baszler 8/5 Detroit 44

WORST FEUD OF THE YEAR

1. MJF VS. THE DEVIL 167

2. Outcasts vs. AEW Originals 114

3. Tyrus vs. EC 3 74

4. Ronda Rousey vs. Shayna Baszler 57

5. Adam Cole vs. Chris Jericho 48

WORST PROMOTION OF THE YEAR

1. NWA 456

2. AAA 88

3. WWE 61

4. Control Your Narrative 17

5. MLW 16

BEST BOOKER

1. PAUL LEVESQUE 360

2. Tony Khan 146

3. Juan Manuel Mar 104

4. Shuji Ishikawa 74

5. Rossy Ogawa 68

PROMOTER OF THE YEAR

1. NICK KHAN 371

2. Tony Khan 239

3. Dana White 146

4. Chavo Lutteroth III 112

5. Rossy Ogawa 34

BEST GIMMICK

1. TONI STORM 239

2. Christian Cage 204

3. Orange Cassidy 48

4. Bloodline 38

5. Brochachos 36

WORST GIMMICK

1. THE DEVIL 76

2. QTV 72

3. Toni Storm 49

4. House of Torture 40

5. Outcasts 39

BEST PRO WRESTLING BOOK

1. THE LAST REAL WORLD CHAMPION BY TIM HORNBAKER 77

2. Tod is God by Tod Gordon 50

3. Ringmaster by Abraham Josephine Riesman 49

4. Keirn Chronicles by Steve Keirn and Ian Douglass` 39

5. Wrestling Observer Complete Collection 1989 by Dave Meltzer 22

BEST PRO WRESTLING DOCUMENTARY

1. DARK SIDE OF THE RING: CHRIS AND TAMMY 97

2. VOW: The Life, career and death of Eddie Gilbert 80

3. American Nightmare: Becoming Cody Rhodes 69

4. Dark Side of the Ring: Marty Jannetty 65

5. Dark Side of the Ring: Magnum T.A. 34

[Kadaveri]

Is Bray Wyatt the first wrestler to win a "Worst" award the same year he died?

[KawadaSmile]

23 minutes ago, Kadaveri said:

Is Bray Wyatt the first wrestler to win a "Worst" award the same year he died?

I dunno, but that match really shouldn't have won that award.

[Boss Rock]

Don't really have issue with much of these, but Ospreay winning Thesz/Flair is surprising. I probably shouldn't have expected voters to want to go with Reigns, but not even Cody?

[C.S.]

The Bray-LA Knight and MJF-Devil votes are complete fucking jokes when Tyrus vs. EC3 was in both of those categories.

[Dav'oh]

Is "Best Flyer" decided by hang-time, or degree of difficulty? Most recorded flips for the year? Should be called the Bobby Shane Best Flyer Award, anyway 

[dawho5]

I'd say Meltzer throwing shade at Dutch while he was hospitalized is pretty despicable.

[WingedEagle]

On 11/14/2024 at 2:44 PM, dawho5 said:

I'd say Meltzer throwing shade at Dutch while he was hospitalized is pretty despicable.

Hardly throwing shade. He acknowledged what Dutch said about certain individuals who despite those comments made generous donations to Dutch. He didn't even touch on the things that Dutch has said and viewpoints he's espoused, or the hypocrisy associated with someone who's spoken that way looking for handouts. In fact, its quite likely that Dave and others have been all too light on Dutch Mantell.