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I'm actually very curious to know what people think about that.

He was one of my favorite parts of Battlebowl '93 though.

I tend to like modern indy style, over-the-top though it may be. That said, I can easily see some validity to the original post. THAT said, I'm not really a fan of telling someone that the style they like is worse than the style I like. Everyone wants something different from wrestling.

The Foley stuff in '06 and the Taker stuff in '08 would warrant a mention for some, myself included.

Not that the point doesn't have merit, but a comparison to Jarrett does seem a little extreme to me. I can certainly think of more Edge matches that I enjoy as opposed to Jarrett, in pretty much any category. He had his flaws but he had his moments too.

Just for the sake of argument, I would say a heel that gets cheered is better than a face that gets booed, because people who are cheering are at least having a good time. I know there's an argument that people have a good time booing faces as well but I feel like it's not as good an indicator.

Looking just at single matches and discounting DQs and countouts: Dean Ambrose defeats Bray Wyatt 5/21/15 Roman Reigns defeats Bray Wyatt 6/1/15 Dolph Ziggler defeats Bray Wyatt 8/2/16 So yes, but not many.

I love the 8/16/84 Bock/Martel match but I couldn't find a link... if you can find it, it's well worth the look.

I’m sure there are some that could suggest more than I, but I watched a good deal of Bock not long ago and here’s what I’d put out there: Nick Bockwinkel vs. Billy Robinson 12/11/80 AJPW Real World Tag League Day 13 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmY8IMmdhFo Nick Bockwinkel vs. Verne Gagne, AWA Championship 2/20/81 AWA Nick Bockwinkel vs. Otto von Wanz, AWA Championship 8/29/82 AWA Bockwinkel on the sick and demented fans Bockwinkel and the picking up of marbles Bockwinkel on those with cretinous minds https://youtu.be/KZc4G9GhAbQ?t=20m26s Bockwinkel and those who pray for rain Nick Bockwinkel vs. Wahoo McDaniel, AWA Championship 8/28/83 AWA http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xz7cde_nick-bockwinkel-c-vs-wahoo-mcdaniel-8-28-1983_sport?GK_FACEBOOK_OG_HTML5=1 Bockwinkel on respect and corruption Bockwinkel on obdurate recalcitrance Nick Bockwinkel vs. Mad Dog Vachon, AWA Championship 11/28/83 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xzv404_11-28-83-nick-bockwinkel-c-vs-mad-dog-vachon_sport Bockwinkel, like a ping pong ball Bockwinkel and the sleeper demonstration https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYcA83NkEUo Bockwinkel, against the world Bobby Heenan & Nick Bockwinkel vs. Blackjack Lanza & Mulligan 3/15/84 AWA Bockwinkel, on shame and defeat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATHL4EOJh4E Bockwinkel and the one thing others can’t match https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V34R_DLraY

I agree with those saying this match was actually pretty good, bad finish notwithstanding.

I loved the way young Orton would react so huge to stuff. Just rewatched the Foley match and he's this phenomenal mix of cocky young star ready to take the world by storm and terrified kid who realizes too late he's in over his head. Even sillier stuff, like Taker coming back at Survivor Series '05, he gave an enormous reaction to. Now it's hard to imagine him doing more than staring blankly at anything that happens.

True, and he did debut a whole new gimmick and started making some buzz before getting a title shot.

What talent? Seriously though, Anderson is a guy who seemed interesting for a hot second but never expanded his shtick or wrestling ability from the most basic level, in any way. The idea that he would be getting work in 2017 is crazy to me, let alone with ROH of all places.

Regarding the Kawada/Misawa relationship, I've heard stories of Kobashi having to go back and forth between their dressing rooms when trying to plan out matches because they wouldn't go in the same room together. Never knew if it was true but it's kind of a funny visual, though maybe a little sad too if it is true.

I dug Orton on and off as late as 2011, but he's struck me as beyond useless since then. If I recall he got suspended twice in a row and it seemed to destroy his ability to give a single shit about any of his matches. I can believe after he retires people will rediscover his early career, but at his current rate he could probably phone it in for 15 more years if WWE asked him to.

I've heard it at least into 85 but it peters off pretty quick.

This happened to me too and it's driving me freakin' nuts.

I'd take Mauro head and shoulders above anybody doing NXT commentary now, but I guess it's a matter of taste.

I'm ok with that but if we're inducing stables with short but hot runs, I really want to see the Dangerous Alliance in there.

Surely there is room for wrestling that aims to be goofy and fun, and reaches that goal, to also be considered good? I haven't seen the show but it sounds/looks like a very fun watch, no "irony" needed.

Which matches are you thinking of? Despite their good rep as a team I feel like I rarely hear specific matches mentioned. Maybe 'Mania 2? Whereas Davey has vs. Bret x2, vs. Owen, vs. HBK, Canadian Stampede, etc. I'm prepared to be wrong, just can't think of too many off the top of my head.

Because he's old timey and would fit in easily with the gimmick. I'm not saying they WILL put him there, but that's why people are saying it.

I'll share my own eclectic list of favorites by year. I'm only including matches I've watched or rewatched in the past few years, so as not to rely on hazy memory. Some of these years I definitely need to check out some of the "obvious" choices but overall I'm feeling good about it. I won't try to pre-80s because I simply haven't seen enough yet. Subject to change, I'm sure. 1980 1. Jim Breaks vs. Steve Grey ??/80 WoS 2. Johnny Saint vs. Steve Grey 2/2/80 WoS 1981 1. Nick Bockwinkel vs. Verne Gagne, AWA Championship 2/20/81 AWA 2. Nick Bockwinkel vs. Sheik Adnan Al-Kassie, No DQ 9/13/81 AWA 1982 1. Bobby Heenan & Nick Bockwinkel vs. Hulk Hogan 5/2/82 AWA 2. Bobby Heenan & Ken Patera vs. Andre the Giant & Buck Zumhofe 10/17/82 AWA 1983 1. Roddy Piper vs. Greg Valentine, Dog Collar 11/24/83 NWA Starrcade 2. Nick Bockwinkel vs. Wahoo McDaniel, AWA Championship 8/28/83 AWA 1984 1. Nick Bockwinkel vs. Rick Martel, AWA Championship 8/16/84 AWA 2. Stan Hansen & Bruiser Brody vs. Terry & Dory Funk Jr 12/8/84 AJPW Real World Tag League Day 15 1985 1. Ric Flair vs. Rick Martel, NWA & AWA Championships 10/21/85 AJPW World Champion Carnival Day 14 2. Tully Blanchard vs. Magnum TA, I Quit Steel Cage, NWA US Championship 11/28/85 NWA Starrcade 1986 1. Ric Flair vs. Dusty Rhodes, Steel Cage, NWA Championship 7/26/86 NWA Great American Bash Day 12 2. Randy Savage vs. Tito Santana, No DQ, WWF Intercontinental Championship 5/4/86 WWF Maple Leaf 1987 1. Dump Matsumoto & Koru Kage vs. Bull Nakano & Condor Saito ??/87 AJW 2. Randy Savage vs. Ricky Steamboat, WWF Intercontinental Championship 3/29/87 WWF Wrestlemania III 1988 1. Barry Windham vs. Bam Bam Bigelow, NWA US Championship 12/26/88 NWA Starrcade 2. Stan Hansen & Terry Gordy vs. Toshiaki Kawada & Genichiro Tenryu, AJPW Tag Team Championships 12/18/88 AJPW Real World Tag League Day 22 1989 1. Ricky Steamboat vs. Ric Flair, NWA Championship 5/7/89 NWA Wrestlewar 2. Ricky Steamboat vs. Ric Flair, 2 out of 3 Falls, NWA Championship 4/2/89 NWA Clash of the Champions VI 1990 1. El Dandy vs. Angel Azteca, 2 out of 3 Falls, NWA World Middleweight Championship 6/1/90 EMLL Super Viernes 2. Arn & Ole Anderson vs. Scott & Rick Steiner, NWA Tag Team Championships 2/25/90 NWA Wrestlewar 1991 1. Mr Perfect vs. Bret Hart, WWF Intercontinental Championship 8/26/91 WWF Summerslam 2. Jumbo Tsuruta, Masanobu Fuchi, & Akira Taue vs. Toshiaki Kawada, Mitsuharu Misawa, & Kenta Kobashi 4/20/91 AJPW Fan Appreciation Day 1992 1. Royal Rumble Match, WWF Championship 1/19/92 WWF Royal Rumble 2. Arn Anderson, Bobby Eaton, Steve Austin, Rick Rude, & Larry Zbyszko vs. Ricky Steamboat, Barry Windham, Dustin Rhodes, Sting, & Nikita Koloff, War Games 5/17/92 WCW Wrestlewar 1993 1. Vader vs. Ric Flair, WCW Championship 12/27/93 WCW Starrcade 2. Toshiaki Kawada & Akira Taue vs. Mitsuharu Misawa & Kenta Kobashi, AJPW Tag Team Championships 12/3/93 AJPW Real World Tag League Day 18 1994 1. Aja Kong vs. Dynamite Kansai 11/20/94 AJW Doumu Super Woman Great War ~ Big Egg Wrestling Universe 2. Aja Kong vs. Manami Toyota 11/20/94 AJW Doumu Super Woman Great War ~ Big Egg R.Wrestling Universe 1995 1. Aja Kong vs. Manami Toyota, WWWA Championship 3/26/95 AJW Queendom 2. Mitsuharu Misawa & Kenta Kobashi vs. Steve Williams & Johnny Ace, AJPW Tag Team Championships 3/4/95 AJPW Excite Series Day 12 1996 1. Chris Benoit vs. Black Tiger 6/11/96 NJPW Best of the Super Juniors Day 17 2. Rey Mysterio vs. Psychosis 7/7/96 WCW Bash at the Beach 1997 1. Steve Austin vs. Bret Hart, No DQ Submission 3/23/97 WWF Wrestlemania 13 2. Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels, Hell in a Cell 10/5/97 WWF Badd Blood 1998 1. Koji Kanemoto vs. Dr Wagner Jr, Best of the Super Juniors Final 6/3/98 NJPW Best of the Super Juniors Day 16 2. Dude Love vs. Steve Austin, Falls Count Anywhere, WWF Championship 5/31/98 WWF Over the Edge 1999 1. Rey Mysterio & Billy Kidman vs. Chris Benoit & Dean Malenko vs. Raven & Perry Saturn, WCW Tag Team Championships 5/9/99 WCW Slamboree 2. Rey Mysterio vs. Curt Hennig 6/3/99 WCW Thunder 2000 1. Tajiri & Mikey Whipwreck vs. Guido Maritato & Tony Mamaluke 9/3/00 ECW Hardcore TV 2. Tajiri & Mikey Whipwreck vs. Guido Maritato & Tony Mamaluke, ECW Tag Team Championships 9/8/00 ECW on TNN 2001 1. Bubba Ray & D-Von Dudley vs. Matt & Jeff Hardy vs. Christian & Edge, TLC, WWF Tag Team Championships 4/1/01 WWF Wrestlemania X-7 2. Royal Rumble Match 1/21/01 WWF Royal Rumble 2002 1. Undertaker vs. Brock Lesnar, Hell in a Cell, WWE Championship 10/20/02 WWE No Mercy 2. Low Ki vs. AJ Styles vs. Jerry Lynn vs. Psicosis, Double Elimination, X Division Championship 6/26/02 NWA/TNA #2 2003 1. Tajiri vs. Rey Mysterio, WWE Cruiserweight Championship 9/4/03 WWE Smackdown 2. Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Kenta Kobashi, GHC Championship 3/1/03 NOAH Navigate for Evolution Day 9 2004 1. Royal Rumble Match 1/25/04 WWE Royal Rumble 2. Rey Mysterio vs. Tajiri, WWE Cruiserweight Championship 1/1/04 WWE Smackdown 2005 1. JBL vs. John Cena, I Quit, WWE Championship 5/22/05 WWE Judgment Day 2. Chris Hero, Claudio Castagnoli, & Arik Cannon vs. Mike Quackenbush, Jigsaw, & Sabian 3/18/05 CHIKARA Remain in Light 2006 1. Chris Hero & Claudio Castagnoli vs. Milano Collection AT & Skayde, Campeonatos de Parejas 2/26/06 CHIKARA Tag World Grand Prix Day 3 2. Bryan Danielson vs. KENTA, ROH Championship 9/16/06 ROH Glory by Honor V Day 2 2007 1. Kota Ibushi & Naomichi Marufuji vs. KENTA & Taiji Ishimori 7/15/07 NOAH Summer Navigation Day 12 2. Bryan Danielson vs. Takeshi Morishima, ROH Championship 8/25/07 ROH Manhatten Mayhem II 2008 1. Undertaker vs. Edge, WWE World Heavyweight Championship 3/30/08 WWE Wrestlemania XXIV 2. Bryan Danielson & Austin Aries vs. Jimmy Jacobs & Tyler Black, ROH Tag Team Championships 6/7/08 ROH Respect is Earned II 2009 1. Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels 4/5/09 WWE Wrestlemania XXV 2. Royal Rumble Match 1/25/09 WWE Royal Rumble 2010 1. El Generico & Paul London vs. Nick & Matt Jackson vs. Dustin & Brandon Cutler, Guerrilla Warfare, PWG Tag Team Championships 7/30/10 PWG SEVEN 2. Evan Bourne vs. Chris Jericho 6/20/10 WWE Fatal 4 Way 2011 1. CM Punk vs. John Cena, WWE Championship 7/17/11 WWE Money in the Bank 2. Sara Del Rey vs. Kana 10/1/11 SHIMMER Vol 42 2012 1. Brock Lesnar vs. John Cena, Extreme Rules Match 4/29/12 WWE Extreme Rules 2. Bobby Roode vs. James Storm, Street Fight 10/14/12 TNA Bound For Glory 2013 1. AR Fox, Rich Swann, & Ricochet vs. Brian Cage, Kevin Steen, & Michael Elgin 3/23/13 PWG All Star Weekend 9 Day 2 2. Kazuchika Okada vs. Hiroshi Tanahashi, IWGP Championship 1/4/13 NJPW Wrestle Kingdom 7 2014 1. Shinsuke Nakamura vs. Kazuchika Okada, G1 Climax Final 8/10/14 NJPW G1 Climax Day 12 2. Kota Ibushi vs. Ricochet, IWGP Jr Championship 6/21/14 NJPW Dominion 2015 1. EC3 vs. Rockstar Spud, Hair vs. Hair 3/13/15 TNA Impact 2. Shinsuke Nakamura vs. Kota Ibushi, IWGP Intercontinental Championship 1/4/15 NJPW Wrestle Kingdom IX 2016 1. Aztec Warfare Match, LU Championship 3/23/16 Lucha Underground 2. Matt Hardy vs. Jeff Hardy, Final Deletion 7/5/16 TNA Impact 2017 (to date) 1. Dragon Lee vs. Hiromu Takahashi, IWGP Jr Championship 2/11/17 NJPW New Beginning in Osaka 2. Toshimen Pool Ticket Contest Battle Royal 1/22/17 Kyoko Kimura Retirement Produce Last Afro Obviously this is a list of personal favorites, but as I said I'm pretty happy with it.

One of my favorite WWF matches of '86, easily. Great stuff.

I second that recommendation for the Maple Leaf match: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW-QXiqpqP0