tim Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 No finish on this show felt satisfying or made me excited about the product moving forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 I'm just beyond tired of Cena the character. I can't wait for Raw tomorrow and him giving his usual poopy joke laden promo to build his next serious feud. I think this is the reason to be happy about Cena winning. There's no one in that match that would make for a better Ron Garvin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 who gets sacrificed to Cena at Battleground? Orton would be a disaster. Wyatt can't lose again/ He just beat kane on TV a few weeks ago. Reigns isn't ready. Sheamus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 who gets sacrificed to Cena at Battleground? Orton would be a disaster. Wyatt can't lose again/ He just beat kane on TV a few weeks ago. Reigns isn't ready. Sheamus? I'm afraid to admit that I sort of see a Cena/Kane match at Battleground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 They should just do a gimmick tag match. Cena/Ambrose/Reigns/Sheamus vs HHH/Orton/Rollins/Kane or something. Just kill time. It's better than having Cena defend against any of the usual suspects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 wait a second another thing, Orton is back to being the chosen one of Steph and HHH? That really doesn't make a lick of sense after the last several months of booking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 I would guess that we get Kane vs Cena or some 4 way title match at the PPV featuring Orton/Kane/Reigns I am also in the "this is only good if Brock wins at Summerslam" camp. I would like to think they learned their lesson from the first time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 I'm at least glad they are talking about Cena as an all-time great now. Regardless of what anyone thinks of him, a guy with 15 world titles should be discussed at that level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 Regardless of Cena winning, the match was clearly laid out to let Roman Reigns shine more than anyone. Even though Cena won, it now feels like Reigns is being positioned at or possibly above his level. Completely agree with this. I actually thought they did a great job making Sheamus and Cesaro come across as incredibly relevant too, which is a big credit to them Idk, I watched today after a 3 weeks hiatus and neither Sheamus nor Cesaro felt anything different to me. In fact. I would argue that Cesaro still doesn't feel like the big deal he should be at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 Just hope that Brock goes over at Summerslam I guess Bryan really is hurt worse. Cena winning and Seth cashing in would be such a waste of Brock. I really hope they don't do it. And yeah, D-Bry will probably be gone for a long time or is still badly hurt if they didn't even sent him there to stop Kane/Orton with a chair or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkdoc Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 i was rather surprised at the pop for ambrose, even if he has been their best thing going since the turn definitely tuning out until brock is in play though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blehschmidt Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 Is anyone else starting to get the feeling that Dean Ambrose is going to end up the next guy in the Daniel Bryan spot? By which I mean he continues to get hugely over, but the company ignores it in favor of sticking with the status quo, possibly even to the point where the fans eventually turn on Reigns because they insist on pushing him over Ambrose. Maybe I am wrong, but that pop tonight was huge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Ridge Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 The crowd was dead for Kane interfering cause they were disappointed Ambrose got screwed. It didn't really matter who did it. And Kane wasn't the reason the crowd was quiet during the tag, they were worn out after the MITB. They should have put the Summer Rae stuff in that slot. Not saying Kane is over with that crowd, but to blame him for everything just for existing is silly. But you would think Kane costing the favorite Ambrose the match would lead to more heat for Kane. That is how it should work. Second the pyro went off the crowd was completely deflated. Kane was introduced last in main event to a very tepid response. We just didn't care about him and the only reaction he got all night was chokeslamming Cena. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 The crowd was dead for Kane interfering cause they were disappointed Ambrose got screwed. It didn't really matter who did it. And Kane wasn't the reason the crowd was quiet during the tag, they were worn out after the MITB. They should have put the Summer Rae stuff in that slot. Not saying Kane is over with that crowd, but to blame him for everything just for existing is silly. But you would think Kane costing the favorite Ambrose the match would lead to more heat for Kane. That is how it should work. Second the pyro went off the crowd was completely deflated. Kane was introduced last in main event to a very tepid response. We just didn't care about him and the only reaction he got all night was chokeslamming Cena Who is "We?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted June 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 Kevin was there live. The arena didn't give a shit about him and it was noticeable on TV as well whenever he was featured how quickly they would deflate in the main event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 Ok. That makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eduardo James Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 I don't mind/hate Kane as much as some of the other folks here do, but I have no idea why he's in the main event mix right now. He was perfectly fine in his role as a suit for the Authority and, even with the main event depth issue, should have remained there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 I don't mind/hate Kane as much as some of the other folks here do, but I have no idea why he's in the main event mix right now. He was perfectly fine in his role as a suit for the Authority and, even with the main event depth issue, should have remained there. He still is. Instead of a suit giving judgments, he's a "suit" who does the physical bidding of his bosses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 I think the issue is that his role could have been used to elevate someone newer instead of being the 2014 version of Teddy Long booking everyone against Kane as punishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 So can we agree that Rusev doesn't suck now? Because that match kicked ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smack2k Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 I haven't read any thoughts on this show on this thread or any as I wanted to put down my quick thougths before reading any others... First Full WWE PPV I have watched since WM 28 (Thanks WWE Network)....I did watch the build to the show to... 1. USOs © vs. Harper / Rowans - To me, WOW, this was a great fuckin match that had me thinking that the end would happen 5 or 6 times, leading a great ending and clean win for the USO's...Harper and Rowans looked great as well, but man, it was a great match...best first time tag team match watch for me in a LONG time... 2. MITB - To me, fun, hard hitting, great spots (fuck, they looked hard at so many point...), and really really fuckin good.... Not many points thought did I think anyone but Rollins or Ambrose would win until the Ambrose climb at the end... The Rollins / Ambrose stuff was great as Ambrose OWNED Rollins everytime they got together, until Kane did his thing at the end...which made Rollins look like a GREAT heel now due to the way he won, and celebrating with HHH and Stephanie afterward...I also liked HHH saying "One down, One to go...." I did enjoy the Swagger ankle lock on Dolph while Dolph kept pulling himself up the ladder as Swagger yells "Let go, Let go".. The end was the right thing to do as it should only make Ambrose crazier and give us a Summerslam match (briefcase on the line?) 3. Paige vs. Naomi - Don't care...sorry, but I don't... 4. Rusev vs. Big E - Liked this way more than I should have, it was a great big man match and both guys showed great power...Big E looked great in this and came off as a tough son of a bitch...Rusev won, and got his stuff in, and does look like a badass, but honestly, and I don't know if others saw this, his facials when he was down after a Belly to Belly throw, The spear through the ropes made him look like he was gonna cry...almost like Drago in Rocky IV after Rocky started to take him apart and the "Machine" was broken and falling apart. (Drago - "He's Not A Man") If that was their plan for him to do that, its too early to make him look like that, even when fighting another hoss....but if it wasn't, man, his image as a machine was really hurt to me, as he honestly looked like he was gonna cry...not something I've seen others pushed the way he has been do.. 5. Stardust / Goldust vs. Rybaxel - Average tag match. If they would have made this a #1 Contender's match, it would have put a little more spice into it... I do like the Stardust character and Cody completely changing himself for it, and these two may be my new favorite tag team...they can really grow from here as a duo of "different" people, as long as WWE lets them and doesn't pull the plug too fast. Rybaxel, to me, is really like the Rhythm and Blues team in the 80's now..they're there, but they aint winning anything big.... 6. Summer Rae vs. Layla - Yep, don't care...why Fandango would want Layla over Summer I don't understand, Summer is fuckin hot!!....Did anyone else notice JBL talk about "Chubby Legs" while mentioning Layla? 7. MITB World Title Match - This wasn't as much fun as the first one was until the last few minutes..Again, never thought any of them outside Orton or Cena would win as its WAY to early to put the title on Reigns...I did think possibly Kane wouldn't let Randy get the belt at some point, but that didn't happen, which is good as it keeps the Authority together, and you need a strong heel group...Cena winning was really the only way to go, to me, right now, for storyline purposes as any of the others winning (outside Bray) really had no where to go...Bray was really "just there" though in this one and never really had a point where he was about to win...Orton bleeding was PHENOMINAL, both cause I cant stand him and want to turn the channel when he is featured, as well as cause blood is fuckin great in wrestling and makes it 100 times better...I loved that there was no way they could hide it once he started bleeding again near the end, and that was a lot of blood as well, so very cool to see the visual of his blood on Reigns and Cena as well...Reigns was booked great and his build can continue...The Authoriy now have another guy to go after...With Bryan out, Cena, to me, was the best choice to do this with, especially with the second biggest show of the year coming in under two months...It will be interesting to see where they go, but if I had the choice, I would build to Cena vs. Brock at Summerslam for the title...Their previous matches didn't have the belt on the line, so that would freshen it up... Been thinking about what I would do for Summerslam, but don't want to get my hopes up for matches that don't happen.... The WWE has a lot of good talent right now, and could produce a great show top to bottom with the two MITB groups all put in feuds, plus the tag scene which has a bunch of good teams...so will be watching to see where they go...which will most likely not be where I was hoping... POST THREAD READING I REALLY hope they don't do Ambrose vs. Rollins next month and save it for Summerslam for the case Cena winning was really the only answer right now, otherwise you have to change a TON of things storyline wise. Ambrose is a HUGE star in the making...he has that Austin aura about him.... Reigns has everything needed to be a HUGE star, but something is missing...not sure what...but he'll get it... Kane helping Rollins win wasn't really a terrible thing..he works for Steph and HHH, he took down and beat up an already tired and worn out Ambrose, so its not like he made him look bad, and he got the guy he was told to help to win....in terms of storyline, its fine with me....as far as someone else being in Kane's spot as the enforcer, I think it would take away from whoever it was as Kane is there just as a "go get him" guy, not a "you are a star and we are gonna focus on you" type guy...Will Kane probably face Cena at Battleground, yeah, but as long as they keep toward Summerslam, its not a HUGE deal...The rest of Battleground can cover for it...Now, if Kane starts getting main event level matches at the cost of others (instead of being the lacky helping out), they I'd have issues...Ryback has too much personality to be the quiet enforcer for the Authority...and I don't even like Ryback that much, but he 100% has that dumb powerjock that says stupid things he thinks is creative and funny while others know its stupid down pat!! 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Bierschwale Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 I'm going to be weird and call Naomi-Paige my match of the night in terms of what I got out of it. That wasn't really longer than the normal Divas title match, but it felt longer, and I mean that as a good thing-- they worked hard, showed their skills, and got in a bunch of memorable moments. It was just fun without any bullshit. As for the two ladder matches, the first probably was too much of a pure spotfest, but it was the right guys doing the spots so the energy was there the whole time (and I'm a kind of an "over is over" thinker. I somehow would have tried to defend Sid during his career because of his absurd ability to always get heat.), and every Ambrose-Rollins moment was just great. The nuclear Ambrose pop/Kane run-in was as big of a heat implosion as you can get. The main just... it just didn't do it for me. It's not about the result, I'm not Uproxxing out, Cena was the only guy who could win the title and then face Lesnar. But the spots with Cesaro and Sheamus on the hook didn't really work the way that they should have, Reigns was fun but his performance still found a way to bug me; was the floor to apron dropkick needed in a match with about 25 ladders sitting around? Stuff like that just has me concerned about where he's going as a worker. The "everyone jockeying on the ladder" spot was Benny Hill shit. It never had the right momentum for me. I HATE saying that a match like that needs at least one guy willing to make himself a quadriplegic for that ONE great bump, but there was just a pervasive awkwardness in it to me without anyone there who you know will eat huge offense in that kind of match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 It's a shame that no matter what, some fans will never give the women a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smack2k Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 I can't help it...I don't mean to be sexist or anything like that, I just don't like Women's wrestling....just isn't entertaining for me... For what it was, Paige and Naomi had a decent match and both are really good athletes and can excel in all kinds of things and have WAY more talent than I ever will....just not entertaining for me ....Randy Orton is more entertaining, and he bores the shit outta me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradhindsight Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 Thoughts on the briefcase match: The Kane thing sucks because it's 2014 and it's DEMON KANE but his involvement shouldn't surprise anyone (I agree that it's a shame someone else isn't getting the rub here). TV has been built around him and his work with the Authority leading to the big ladder matches. I agree with Johnny - the crowd was deflated because Ambrose didn't win but it doesn't make sense to be aghast that Kane had something to do with it. It does make perfect sense to be aghast that Kane is involved like this in 2014. But I like the story that match told and was fine with the finish. At least Ambrose took both a chokeslam and a tombstone. Now the title match: Cena winning isn't a surprise but man was his booking in this match poor. Sheamus and Reigns were booked stronger although poor Roman had to job out to a Kane chokeslam. Both Orton and Kane took one FU and that was that. Cena really should use this as a teachable moment and help these guys figure out how to unhook the belt hanger. How hard would it have been for someone to challenge Cena on his climb at the end and have Cena kick them off before struggling to get the belt? Cena raced up and snagged the belts like it was no big thing. Horrible ending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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