Grimmas Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Discuss here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted September 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 When he's on he's one of the greatest big men ever. Love the Cena matches the Eddie match, the Punk match and the Taker Hell in the Cell. Probably the best Hell in the Cell ever. Not so big on him as a babyface as it was a weird role for him. Although as a monster with a legit background he ruled. We are looking at a short period though. I'm unsure on Brock right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbo Slice Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 He has some absolutely huge highlights. I lean big on performing well in big matches and Brock is as good as they come. He's a lot like Volk Han to me, in the sense that we don't have a lot of him, but he has a lot of good stuff in a small amount of work. It's not Han-level stuff, but I have no issues with someone putting him on their list. Very interesting contender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadMick Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Voting for Lesnar 2012-date, is like voting for Undertaker based on 2008-13. I can see both in my list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Childs Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 He has some absolutely huge highlights. I lean big on performing well in big matches and Brock is as good as they come. He's a lot like Volk Han to me, in the sense that we don't have a lot of him, but he has a lot of good stuff in a small amount of work. It's not Han-level stuff, but I have no issues with someone putting him on their list. Very interesting contender. His career somehow feels less complete than Han's, though I'm not sure that's right. There's something special about Brock that makes him hard to dismiss, despite the limited weight of his resume. I can't imagine anybody else having those matches with Cena, for example. He'll be hard to rank, but that doesn't mean he's undeserving. He could also add significantly to his case over the next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FedEx227 Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Has his absolute stand-out moments and is one of the best working big men of all time (IMO) but it's hard to make a body of work argument with him. He had some REALLY special matches along the way but I don't think he had enough of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Han is definitely an interesting comparison here. I've got no idea how I'm going to weigh the quantity issue in cases like these other than to guess I'll be inconsistent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Brock would have to have at least a half dozen more out of this world matches for me to consider him strongly and I say that as a fan of the guy. Han is different both because I've never seen a bad Han match, and because he really was the master of a style - and an incredibly difficult style at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillThompson Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 No, were he more active I'd lean towards yes. Has all the tools, the charisma, the personality, he just doesn't wrestle enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiva Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Lesnar is a guy I'd really love to place because since his return to WWE, he's been consistently the only guy that makes me perk up and pay attention because the way he builds his matches since his return, HHH aside, have been so interesting and fascinating to watch that he excites me and frustrates me in equal measure. On one hand, those matches with Cena/Taker/Punk are such a spectacle because of the aura he's built up of himself through UFC and it's frustrating because he just GETS pro wrestling on such a level that it would have been amazing had he been around for the last decade. But, then maybe the mystique would be gone? Either way, he doesn't make my list but his past couple of years are absolutely fascinating and he's really the only guy in WWE that has had a must-see feel about him in years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Casebolt Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 The mystique would definitely be gone. I've compared Brock to Andre in the past - he's a guy who feels like an event because he wrestles so rarely and his performances are generally spectacular. If he's on tv every week, that aura becomes impossible to maintain. Big Show's career would have been four times as good if he'd wrestled one fourth as often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Childs Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 The mystique would definitely be gone. I've compared Brock to Andre in the past - he's a guy who feels like an event because he wrestles so rarely and his performances are generally spectacular. If he's on tv every week, that aura becomes impossible to maintain. Big Show's career would have been four times as good if he'd wrestled one fourth as often. Yeah, I love that they use him as a special attraction. And his performances back that up. We've talked about how WWE grinds the appeal out of potential stars by cycling them through the same matches again and again. So I'm sure not going to punish Brock for what he's doing now. He's hurt more by not having a lot of years period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOTNW Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 How does he fare now that he has two more high end matches? Personally I wasn't so big on the Rumble match but the Reigns match was great and has been getting universal praise and it was 90% Brock. I just watched his matches vs Taker at Unforgiven & No Mercy in 2002 and you almost forget how good he is at stuff like selling and bumping now that he's booked like Broly. I'd say that with one more very good-great match he'd make my list. He's almost too special not to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillThompson Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 I'd say you're way off on the Mania match being 90% Brock. If anything that was a match split evenly down the line and I'd lean towards Roman being the better worker myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOTNW Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 How so? Brock Lesnar can have that match with a dozen other people. Roman Reigns can't have that match with anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 Reigns selling, bumping, and stiffness were huge facets of that match. In no way was it a Brock carry job. On first watch I thought he contributed every bit as much to the match as Brock did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steenalized Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 I agree that Reigns was at least as pivotal to the match as Lesnar, but I consider it a feather in Lesnar's cap too. Like Dylan said, Reigns sold, bumped, and hit Brock with such stiff shots, and even got the crowd into his come back. Brock meanwhile played his role to perfection and I adored his selling from the ring post spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 Of course Reigns can't have that match with anyone else, there is no one else who would be that believable to completely maul him. But that doesn't mean it was all Brock's match, not even close. To say Brock could have had that match with "a dozen other people" really undersells just how good Reigns was at selling and how hard he brought it when he was on offense. I mean, imagine Dolph Ziggler in that same match and not only is Dolph doing silly cartoon bumping in between just laying there and pretending to be dead but he would be contributing absolutely nothing on offense that would look like it could even make Brock Lesnar feel pain much less hurt him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 I almost wish we could extend this to the end of Lesnar 's contract. It feels like we may get a Volk Han run where he only wrestles 4 times a year and we get 3 great matches out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Okay what do we do with this guy? Kicks so much ass it's unreal. Great character work as a heel on top of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted June 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Okay what do we do with this guy? Kicks so much ass it's unreal. Great character work as a heel on top of that. If he has 2-3 more great matches before the poll is due he will be on my list easily. He is a strange case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El McKell Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 He's making my list. He's had such an unbelievably great run these past 3 years and was pretty damn good in his first run too; I know he's not around much but I feel it's weird to punish a guy too much for not being on TV all time, negotiating a favorable deal for yourself doesn't mean you aren't a great wrestler. Also is the shittyness of the HHH matches an enormous indictment of Triple H's case for this project? That's just something I've been thinking about because I'm much higher on HHH than most people here, but when you compare Brock's work with HHH to Brock's work with literally everyone else it really makes HHH look terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 I think I said as much when we made the HHH thread. It really, really doesn't make him look good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted June 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 I think I said as much when we made the HHH thread. It really, really doesn't make him look good. Did that matches stink because Triple H is not a good wrestler or because of his ego and booking power? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El McKell Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 I think it's largely because they were worked like Triple H matches and not like Brock Lesnar matches. They were these 25 minute epics with all the extended selling between every move and Brock didn't work well in that environment at all and it made him look like he wasn't special due to the back and forth nature of the matches. It felt a lot like HHH was gonna work his normal main event match no matter what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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