Parties Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Booker cackling, "I can't wait to see someone get hurt!" in the Chamber was something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 I don't mind the kickouts because each guy actually only kicked out of one finisher. They kicked out of tons of moves but the established finishers were protected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Was just about to post what Will said. Thought it was a really good match. Steen/Owens is a really good pro wrestling. His in ring charisma is great. He'd be a great fit in any era. Also, Cena was terrific but that's unsurprising at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 I loved how much Cena gave him in the first half of the match. It was all heat with some really great cut offs and compelling offense and good selling. They basically bypassed the shine altogether. I think that was to make Owens look even stronger (and I had thought through the match to make him look stronger in defeat). As it was, it made the match feel uneven to me. Unbalanced. I think that the finishing stretch was way too long with way too many kick outs. That said, they were relatively judicious in the use of the Pop Up Power Bomb and AA. Because of that it wasn't as bad as it could have been. I would have liked to see more selling to delay the pins more, maybe? The one place I DIDN'T want to see it was after the Pop Up Powerbomb. He sort of fell onto him slowly. I would have loved him having an adrenaline burst and really driving in the pin there with the feet moving and what not. That's a nitpick though. Â Really great heat segment and a fun and compelling finishing stretch that went on way too long relative to the way they structured the match. In some ways I kind of liken it to Sabu vs Cena actually, in that Owens got to do all sort of stuff that we never see against Cena and that in and of itself was a lot of fun to see. Â I've said "compelling" twice now and I'll say it again. It more compelling than great, but I'm totally okay with that because compelling is so rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bierschwale Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 I think that those were the best-looking punches Cena's thrown in years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Ok, too many 2.9 kickouts. If they play their cards right it should be looked back as an iconic match though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 I don't mind the kickouts because each guy actually only kicked out of one finisher. They kicked out of tons of moves but the established finishers were protected. Â How is it protecting a finisher by kicking out of it on a "debut" match? The fact that he still beat Cena with it makes it way less harmful but they could've done better job considering all the moves Owens did. Â I mean it wasn't that big of a deal but Cena kicking out of it was completely unnecesary. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 I may be in the minority but I thought Neville vs Bo Dallas was pretty damn good. It was caught in the usual divas spot after a great match. Of course they should have chemistry with their work in NXT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Cena/Owens was great in part because of it's flaws. I'll rant on it at length on the reaction show, but he got beat clean by Owens in Owens kind of match. Cena is the most selfless top star in history. No one else is close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Â Â I don't mind the kickouts because each guy actually only kicked out of one finisher. They kicked out of tons of moves but the established finishers were protected. How is it protecting a finisher by kicking out of it on a "debut" match? Because Owens went for it too soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Putting Neville out there with Bo in that kind of match after Owens and Cena was fucking stupid beyond belief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015   I don't mind the kickouts because each guy actually only kicked out of one finisher. They kicked out of tons of moves but the established finishers were protected. How is it protecting a finisher by kicking out of it on a "debut" match? Because Owens went for it too soon.  That's not protecting the finish, even though I get your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy hats Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 yesssssssssss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Man... if MArk HEnry was in Hall of Pain form, this would be awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 SOMEBODY GON' GET THEY ASS KICKED. FIVE MILLION STARS FOR THIS MATCH. WE HAVE A NEW MATCH OF THE NIGHT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 I may be in the minority but I thought Neville vs Bo Dallas was pretty damn good. It was caught in the usual divas spot after a great match. Of course they should have chemistry with their work in NXT I enjoyed it a lot even though I felt they had no chemistry in NXT. Bo didn't embarass himself anywhere and the match was laid out perfectly as a Neville showcase. Bo actually brought some unique offense too. Â Perfectly fine wrestling. Â And holy shit, Mark Henry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015   I don't mind the kickouts because each guy actually only kicked out of one finisher. They kicked out of tons of moves but the established finishers were protected. How is it protecting a finisher by kicking out of it on a "debut" match? Because Owens went for it too soon.  This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Also, it's John Fucking Cena. It takes three finishers from most guys to beat him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcmmnx Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 I went from loving to hating back to loving Cena/Owens. Obviously there were too many kick outs, but it being a inter promotional champ vs champ match allows me to look past that a little. I thought Owens' performance was star making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTLL Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Terrific performance from both guys and they'll be lucky to get that level of heat back the rest of the night. 2.999 mass kickouts can lose me fast but they kept me enthralled. I enjoyed Lesnar/Reigns a surprising amount on second watch, and I'm not sure if the body will hold up as well as that one, but obviously it has a memorable finish instead of a lukewarm one, so they're neck and neck until I take my live glasses off. Â Oh, and I especially enjoyed a distinct lack of "T--s is a----me". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parties Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 After reading that email he wrote Terry Taylor, I want nothing but the best for R-Truth, and no longer mind him being in this. Plus Mark Henry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 And my stream is freezing up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 I think, as others have said already, that in real time it may have seemed like too many kickouts, but because of the result and the fact that they were shooting for this as an historic, star-making debut, they needed to go there in order to make it look sufficiently epic in hindsight. And also to make it feel sufficiently epic to everyone watching live in case they were wondering who this guy is who is beating Cena clean as a sheet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcmmnx Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Does anybody care about these midcarders that trade wins every week? At least the diva match was an entertaining train wreck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 did Vince come down with another case of Diverticulitis? He can't be there right? Holy shit what a star making match for Owens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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