Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 4

[Mad Dog]

 

Question regarding Ali. How many of those boxer vs. wrestler matches did he have? I found a couple on Youtube.

In the lead up to the Inoki match, Ali had two in the AWA from the Chicago Amphitheater, taped the same day I believe. I'm assuming those are the ones on YouTube you found

 

 

Kenny Jay and Buddy Wolfe are the two I found.

[KawadaSmile]

So, Io Shirai is going to the WWE and I saw maybe one of the most fucking condescending takes about it.

 

 

 

anyone who still celebrates the fed signing pretty much any talent beyond “congrats to them for getting paid” is a dumbass

[Mad Dog]

I'm far less excited by the prospect of her going now than I was a year ago.

[KawadaSmile]

While in terms of raw talent the NXT Women's division is as good as it ever was, if not better, I'd think she can elevate the other wrestlers and rein 'em in to performances that make them legit.

[Ricky Jackson]

 

 

 

Question regarding Ali. How many of those boxer vs. wrestler matches did he have? I found a couple on Youtube.

In the lead up to the Inoki match, Ali had two in the AWA from the Chicago Amphitheater, taped the same day I believe. I'm assuming those are the ones on YouTube you found

Kenny Jay and Buddy Wolfe are the two I found.

Yep, those are the two

[Mad Dog]

I have less faith in them to do something interesting with her now. Sane feels like she's just treading water and I feel like Io will be doing the same there. And it will be even worse on the main roster if she ever got there.

 

This is one I will believe when I see because of Io's injury history and that they got scared off by it last time.

[Victator]

I was 16 when I got into it. Not an adult obviously but I wasn't a child either.

That is Anakin territory. Any older and you get those fans that never get it. Because they are incapable of believing or being absorbed in the moment.

 

There are exceptions obviously. But that tends to be my experience.

[Mad Dog]

Yeah, I would agree with that. Wrestling is like comic books. You have to get in young and get attached to it so that you can forgive the shortcomings that come with it.

[Laz]

She loves fighting games like Tekken, SF & MK but TV/Films she prefers romance.

Try to dig up some of the build to Matt & Lita becoming an item. I forget when they first kissed on Raw, but I remember it being such a big deal that girls I knew weren't fans asked me for my take on it in school.

 

Or, something more recent, show her some Total Bellas leading up to WM30 and then see if she's on board for watching the main. If Bryan/Brie doesn't speak to her then very little will.

[Flyin' Brian]

If she likes Mortal Kombat, can't go wrong with Glacier vs. Mortis

Yeah, blood runs cold was going to be my suggestion.

[gingears]

I don't understand the comparison myself but Mortal Kombat was brought up a lot as an inspiration for Lucha Underground.

[NintendoLogic]

The Twitter machine says that Io isn't the only Stardom talent WWE has poached. My guess would be Mayu Iwatani or Hana Kimura.

[iamthedoctor]

Where would Triple H plans have gone in 2001 had he not gotten injured? I gather they would have builded towards a Austin/HHH match at Summerslam logically Hunter would take the belt as the Rumble the following year was all about his injury return and winning the belt so if Hunter doesnt get hurt whos likely winning the Rumble.

 

Current wise is Daniel Bryan logically the fav to win the 2019 Rumble? Especially with the yes Movement returning. I know people will probably say Braun but cant see Lesnar holding it for another year but with Vince it wouldnt suprise me.

[Mad Dog]

It's interesting the people my wife takes to. I was watching old Mid-Atlantic stuff and Alfred Hayes did a promo and she thought he was the best one on the show with people like Piper and Slaughter running around.

[Laz]

I don't understand the comparison myself but Mortal Kombat was brought up a lot as an inspiration for Lucha Underground.

I totally see it. Replace "martial arts tournament" with "wrestling promotion" and it's very, very similar.

[Victator]

A kind soul is uploading 1984 Georgia with the King Kong Bundy face turn. Which is really similar to the Nia Jax face turn, but with better execution. Ellering is really vicious toward Bundy, so when Bundy attacks you get it. This was something Jake Roberts was very proud of booking. He felt that a guy like Bundy was an outcast and the fans could identify with him.

One thing I like is Bundy's personality does not really change. He is still kind of a jerk but now you have heels trying to get the 15,000 for slamming him. Along with the Road Warriors having a real physical threat.

Ellering is a great heel manager and its a shame he was stuck as a face for so long.

[donsem43]

 

So, Io Shirai is going to the WWE and I saw maybe one of the most fucking condescending takes about it.

 

 

 

anyone who still celebrates the fed signing pretty much any talent beyond “congrats to them for getting paid” is a dumbass

 

 

I've been a joshi fan since the early 2000's and it just amazes me that while the names and places will change, the behavior of joshi fans always remains the same.

[KawadaSmile]

 

yo

 

this shit is not good

[Edwin]

Read WWE tried signing some guys who signed with MLW -- I had no idea MLW had signed anyone, much less anyone WWE would be interested in.

 

MJF, I guess? I think he would great if paired up with the Miz.

[sek69]

MLW seemingly made an attempt to get guys who weren't already signed elsewhere under contract before going on TV to prevent the usual "they got a TV deal let's raid them" WWE ploy. Funny how they stayed clear of ROH after they got their fingers slapped with tampering threats, and immediately started doing the same thing to the next company that came along.

[Victator]

Seems like WWE should try to help these companies. ROH and TNA are the best developmentals WWE has had in a decade.

[Lee]

Yeah, I would agree with that. Wrestling is like comic books. You have to get in young and get attached to it so that you can forgive the shortcomings that come with it.

I started reading graphic novels about 3/4 years ago. I'm 33 now.

[Grimmas]

 

Yeah, I would agree with that. Wrestling is like comic books. You have to get in young and get attached to it so that you can forgive the shortcomings that come with it.

I started reading graphic novels about 3/4 years ago. I'm 33 now.

 

I started comics at 25.

[Lee]

I think this was covered before but why was the WWF so popular in the U.K. in the early 90s when business was dying domestically? I still see a lot of U.K. fans online say that was the golden age of their fandom

 

Availability. Satellite dishes were just starting to become more and more widespread in the UK in the late 80s/early 90s, and with little money and small potential audiences, those stations were usually built around repeats of old British shows (back when that was still a novelty) and imported English-language shows, primarily from the U.S.

 

SKY Channel had original content, but after Rupert Murdoch did a deal to merge British Satellite Broadcasting and SKY into BSkyB as a joint venture, they started putting money into movies and sport as the big draws. In 1989 they had something like 400 movie premiers before the BBC, ITV or Channel 4 (our terrestrial networks) got them, and they won the exclusive bidding rights to the soon-to-be-formed Premier League, which took top flight football off free to air television. Imagine if all you've got is NBC, CBS, ABC and FOX, but you have to get a satellite dish AND pay a separate subscription just to get ESPN who have exclusive rights to the NFL, and you get the idea.

 

So at this point, more and more people are doubling up from their four basic channels to eight (with more and more being added fairly regularly), largely because of the movies and the football, but SKY are also offering up three key ingredients to capture the kids/family audience too: They've got Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, which is also on terrestrial but SKY have the NEW episodes that poor BBC kids won't see for another a year, they've got this red hot new animated sitcom that is suddenly being merchandised everywhere called The Simpsons (which doesn't come to terrestrial TV until around 1996/1997, with episodes that have been played on SKY for years), and they've got the glitzy American showbiz of the World Wrestling Federation. And, like in America, the WWF was often broadcast after Saturday morning cartoons, which didn't hurt, at a period after British wrestling had been taken off TV, which also didn't hurt. In fact, if you were getting into the WWF in, say, 1990 when you were six, you probably didn't even remember much, if anything, of Nagasaki, Daddy and Haystacks, et al.

 

It was basically a perfect storm of all those things coming together, and MTV coming along to coincide with the rise of Britpop, that made the whole satellite thing really enticing, and this was all in the very early 90s (the Premier League started in 1992). So yes, even though the WWF was available in a very limited basis here during the Hulk Hogan 80s glory period on cable (which didn't really take off until the late 90s, despite being around in limited markets at least a decade earlier), almost everyone in my age bracket basically discovered the WWF when their parents were getting SKY, or when their mates got it, or when everyone suddenly started trading WWF stickers and collecting WWF action figures. It just happened that the whole thing managed to coincide with the massive downturn in the U.S., but it was actually booming here, hence the suddenly regular twice and thrice yearly touring, live television specials and SummerSlam at Wembley Stadium.

 

It's interesting because I heard an interview with Cesaro once where he talked about 1993-1994 being the glory period, which is when the bloom came off the rose in the UK, but it coincided with the WWF getting on TV in Switzerland and Austria and those kind of places. I think it just goes to show that the "novelty" of something like that can't be understated, nor can the whole "growing out it" thing. I imagine kids who loved Hogan in 1985 were sick of him as teenagers in 1990, and it's a similar kind of thing here, where a lot of kids were super into it until they suddenly decided they were "too old" for it, or moved onto other things (one of the more common suggestions that UK fans of that era make is that a lot of WWF fans basically migrated to Gladiators, which was on prime time network TV and was also shiny and new in 1992-1993).

 

 

[Tim Evans]

MLW seemingly made an attempt to get guys who weren't already signed elsewhere under contract before going on TV to prevent the usual "they got a TV deal let's raid them" WWE ploy. Funny how they stayed clear of ROH after they got their fingers slapped with tampering threats, and immediately started doing the same thing to the next company that came along.

 

I guess MLW started putting people under contract after WWN pulled guys like Riddle and Darby? I haven't watched MLW tv but have they aired any Filthy Tom or Jeff Cobb matches? As for guys WWE would be interested in, the guy that immediately comes to mind is Brody King. That guy could be special and seems to be popping up in a lot of indies.