C.S. Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 AJ vs. Brock surprised me too. They subverted expectations beautifully, giving us the lazy Lesnar squash for the first ten minutes, only for AJ to turn it on its ear. Brock won undeservedly, but you can't have everything. The Survivor Series main event was...well, it was something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 AJ v Jinder for the title announced for Smackdown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microstatistics Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 The main event was utterly bizarre and nonsensical but I liked HHH's terrified facial expression after the match. It really put Braun over the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricR Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 Tamina has been in WWE for 8 years and still wrestles as badly as she does. What a strange time to try out a superstar Tamina push. Of course, seeing Emma get to take Asuka to the limit and then get fired, maybe this means Tamina is finally gone? I love Brock when he's selling. I think his bumping and selling is among the best ever, we just haven't seen it nearly enough the last couple years. Both elimination matches were really bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoS Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 The main event was utterly bizarre and nonsensical but I liked HHH's terrified facial expression after the match. It really put Braun over the top. Yeah his facial expressions were great. I do not even remember the last time he had sold being absolutely terrified like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 AJ Styles is the best there is right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blehschmidt Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 That whole thing was about setting up five months of McMahon horseshit. Ugh. Doesn't this apply to virtually everything this company has done since 1997 at this point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 I actually expected way worse out of the main event. At least Braun got to look awesome. I don’t want to see Kurt wrestle again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 The main event was utterly bizarre and nonsensical but I liked HHH's terrified facial expression after the match. It really put Braun over the top. I actually just came here to post that. I haven't watched the whole thing and probably won't for a while, but the stills I've seen from the post-match angle show some legit awesome facial expressions from HHH. When you have someone that smirks everyone away most of the time, I suppose that is a positive. It allows something like that to have some bite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 Charlotte going to the top rope in a single match is pretty much a guaranteed missed moonsault spot. One of the many Flair family curses is an inability to hit moves off the top rope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthedoctor Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 I've heard alot of people praised the PPV but in turn shit on the Main Event because of who went over and who got eliminated early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Rock Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 Thought the show was pretty good for the most part. Usos vs. Cesaro and Sheamus was great, Alexa vs. Charlotte was good, and A.J. vs. Brock was perhaps the greatest carryjob I've ever seen. Not since Bryan have I seen someone get so much out of almost anyone. The main event on the other hand was maybe the most bizarre and confusing thing I've ever seen. Sure it perfectly summed up everything wrong with WWE and their inability to make almost anyone not from the Attitude Era look good, but nothing about it made sense. Why bring Cena in at all if he was only in for 5 minutes and was in complete phone-in mode? Why have Owens and Zayn interfere if they ended up being completely ineffectual and have no bearing on the finish? Just unbelievably stupid stuff. Still, Braun destroying Haitch was absolutely delightful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMKK Posted November 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 That was a strange show last night. Good matches the whole way through the card until the old guys and the overbooking at the end left an ageing orange egomaniac to win at the end. WCW 1998 redux Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShittyLittleBoots Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 A.J. vs. Brock was perhaps the greatest carryjob I've ever seen. While AJ was absolutely amazing w/ his performance last night, I thought Brock completely matched him as well. His selling was perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAMS Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 The Shield/New Day match was okay. But when it got bad, it was really bad. Big E kinda going for a cover, then kinda getting up to tag in Kofi, who himself wasn't sure whether he should tag in, all the while Seth was crawling into the ring at a glacial pace, would be the worst sequence on any PPV if it wasn't for the Naomi/Alicia Fox travesty. In regards to New Day, they do 'silly' so often, that when they try and do serious it actually carries some weight and Big E, because he's their biggest threat, is the best at it. I just wish they knew when to designate a match as a standard New Day comedy match or fully commit to it being serious - Big E doing the weird hand-fart/tail wagging thing after every move was just.....no. The women's match was bad. Almost everybody was hesitant when tagging, to the point that exiting the ring without completely getting in the way of the legal woman was beyond their abilities. Sasha, Asuka, and Natalya saved it from being the absolute pits at the end. And while the men haven't exactly got a spotless record when it comes to multi-man matches, the women haven't been able to piece together one competent one so far, MITB being the closest. And I don't like that match very much. Corbin/Miz was just there. They did some neat little work on the leg of Corbin which he kind of tried to sell somewhat in a way, but meh. He took a lot of damage and then he hit a big move and won. Good try Miz. Usos are great. Even when I don't totally understand what they're talking about they are still thoroughly entertaining. Match was a little underwhelming considering the guys involved and what each is capable of, but by far the best match up to this point with everybody putting in a solid shift. I really like both Charlotte and Alexa, and even when their matches a more miss than hit, I can find them entertaining. This was probably more miss than hit, but I think that mostly falls on the fact that Charlotte is so much more of a compelling character as a heel than as a face and the quicker she turns back the better for everyone involved. The arm whip off the apron was nasty and I really liked the Guillotine Choke Alexa managed to lock in, but damn Alexa took too much of this match. Not until the end did Charlotte manage to mount any sort of offense that wasn't countered and nullified immediately. I've been to the match review page for the AJ/Brock match and seen the love this has been getting, and even considering how liberal Marty is with his star ratings I was surprised to see him give this the full five (as well as the few 4.75s as well). After a second watch I do think this was an excellent match, but probably veer nearer towards the 4* mark than the 5. AJ did put on the most compelling rag doll performance at the beginning with a top tier sell job, constantly using the ropes for leverage and selling that one German trying to pop up immediately only to crumble once the full effect of the move hit him. We all know that as far as flashy moves go AJ can hang with the best while also making them look brutal, but I don't at all buy this is a one man performance as I'll still assert that Brock, when properly tuned in, is one of the best sellers around. His gimmick and his sheer presence gives his selling more weight than it does with other people, that's just a fact. Anybody can walk around and no sell shit to look like a monster, but to time the perfect moment to concede offense to your opponent is an art. Brock's timber display at WM31 is a clear example of that. AJ may be the only guy on the roster who could pull that match out of Brock. However, Brock is also the only guy who could pull this match out of AJ. Main Event: Got bored. Read through this thread and "spoiled" the ending for myself. Got more distracted. Got confused. It ended. Love HHH's eyes popping out of his face. And hey, Nakamura got a solid running early on. That's all I can say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Sleeze Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 A.J. vs. Brock was perhaps the greatest carryjob I've ever seen. While AJ was absolutely amazing w/ his performance last night, I thought Brock completely matched him as well. His selling was perfect. Amen! BROCK ruled just as hard as AJ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin' Brian Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 AJ Styles is the best there is right now. I second this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmartMark15 Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 AJ Styles is the best there is right now. I second this. In terms of consistent in-ring performance, I think only Roman gives him any competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMKK Posted November 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 AJ Styles is the best there is right now. I second this. In terms of consistent in-ring performance, I think only Roman gives him any competition. There's a real interesting discussion to be had as to who's been WWE's wrestler of the year. Lots of people are saying AJ but I think they're sleeping on the great series of TV matches Roman was having around spring/early summer while AJ was stuck in the mediocre programme with Owens. It's a real tight call Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 AJ Styles is the best there is right now. I second this. In terms of consistent in-ring performance, I think only Roman gives him any competition. Don't try to mention that anywhere outside of PWO though, lawdy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmartMark15 Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 AJ Styles is the best there is right now. I second this. In terms of consistent in-ring performance, I think only Roman gives him any competition. Don't try to mention that anywhere outside of PWO though, lawdy. I fly my Roman flag high. #BelieveThat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMKK Posted November 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 I don't know how anyone can still pretend that Reigns isn't great tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmartMark15 Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 I don't know how anyone can still pretend that Reigns isn't great tbh. Even staunchly "smarky" spaces like WhatCulture on YouTube have bent to the simple fact that the guy is a great worker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShittyLittleBoots Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 I got BRAUN as my WWE WOTY at this point. It's very, very close between him, AJ & Reigns though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmartMark15 Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 I got BRAUN as my WWE WOTY at this point. It's very, very close between him, AJ & Reigns though. If nothing else, he's easily the most improved of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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