Alucard Posted May 16, 2019 Report Share Posted May 16, 2019 12 hours ago, Rah said: Edit: there was a time I when I would have lost it to hear Rey and Cesaro had had a match. That is a massive dream match for me. But now I am completely apathetic For what it's worth, it was a pretty fun 10 minute TV match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted May 16, 2019 Report Share Posted May 16, 2019 Shaking my head at the mention in the Observer that WWE is just now starting to really think highly of Andrade but Vince is still hesitant to put the rocket on him because he's still learning English. I mean, I can see why you'd have reservations pushing a guy who was already a top star. Can't have anyone proven to draw money just go out there without being coached to death first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted May 16, 2019 Report Share Posted May 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, sek69 said: Shaking my head at the mention in the Observer that WWE is just now starting to really think highly of Andrade You think it may be because.... he's dating Charlotte now ? Yeah, that sounds insane, but how these people "think" also is, so, why not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted May 16, 2019 Report Share Posted May 16, 2019 Wondering if at this point that if WWE did a storyline basically claiming Andrade fucked his way to the top, it would almost be progressive of them to have a man in that role for once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted May 16, 2019 Report Share Posted May 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, sek69 said: Wondering if at this point that if WWE did a storyline basically claiming Andrade fucked his way to the top, it would almost be progressive of them to have a man in that role for once. That was Mike Bennett's WWE character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted May 16, 2019 Report Share Posted May 16, 2019 12 minutes ago, sek69 said: Shaking my head at the mention in the Observer that WWE is just now starting to really think highly of Andrade but Vince is still hesitant to put the rocket on him because he's still learning English. I mean, I can see why you'd have reservations pushing a guy who was already a top star. Can't have anyone proven to draw money just go out there without being coached to death first. They just need to spend another six months jobbing him so they can then blame him for not drawing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted May 16, 2019 Report Share Posted May 16, 2019 11 minutes ago, Mad Dog said: That was Mike Bennett's WWE character. Well he was never at the top for anyone to claim he fucked his way there. His character always came off as "guy who outkicked his coverage and is fully aware of it". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted May 16, 2019 Report Share Posted May 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, sek69 said: Well he was never at the top for anyone to claim he fucked his way there. His character always came off as "guy who outkicked his coverage and is fully aware of it". Actually that is kind of his wrestling career if you think about it. Nothing that special but he's a package deal with Maria who companies actually want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomethingSavage Posted May 16, 2019 Report Share Posted May 16, 2019 32 minutes ago, Mad Dog said: Actually that is kind of his wrestling career if you think about it. Nothing that special but he's a package deal with Maria who companies actually want. Their whole act was perfect for ROH. They played nicely off Punk's legacy and his past fling with Maria. Plus the years & years of having their talent pool "raided" by the big, bad corporation. Plus the fact that Bennett was tailor made for the WWE house style of the time. It just fit and clicked so well in a very specific context there. As far as WWE's declining viewership goes, I honestly don't know what it would take for them to come to the realization that it truly is the stars that draw interest and viewers. The brand doesn't sell shit on its own. You need stars. You need attractions. You need competitors with momentum to oppose rival competitors with momentum. This 50/50 nonsense needs to go. This start & stop stuff is garbage. Stop punishing your audience whenever they choose to like something. The self-contained breathing apparatus that was John Cena is gone now, and it shows. Everything feels like it's on life support. The big money is there, but the decline in actual quality is drastic & downright astounding. WCW made big money in 1997 and 1998, too. Then '99 dropped 'em in their tracks like a heart attack. Same/same. The McMahons' bizarre hang-ups and insecurities have caused them to withdraw and retreat away from promoting people like actual stars. But those fortress walls they've built to keep everyone caged in like slaves to the system are the exact same walls that keep everyone from getting over. It's fucking madness, y'all. Bring on the Elite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted May 16, 2019 Report Share Posted May 16, 2019 5 hours ago, funkdoc said: tbh activity fell off a cliff after the GWE voting and doesn’t seem to have recovered since would put this down to the development of Wrestling Twitter and other such spaces. the message board in general is a dying medium, aside from the occasional niche community such as board gaming (and even there, Discord is steadily taking over). As it pertains to the GWE, I had the same thought. When that was finished, I think people were kind of burned out. A PWO discord isn't a bad idea... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted May 16, 2019 Report Share Posted May 16, 2019 14 minutes ago, Coffey said: As it pertains to the GWE, I had the same thought. When that was finished, I think people were kind of burned out. A PWO discord isn't a bad idea... I mean, I'm fine personally with the place being quieter but most of the posters being of the generally high knowledge and quality that we have as opposed to having more people but a less pleasant experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted May 17, 2019 Report Share Posted May 17, 2019 It was me, folks. I shooed people away with my political discourse. But in all honesty, it feels like wrestling in general has been through a slump. We discussed WWE at length, and NJPW does have some fair share of big criticisms, and at the moment it is too early to know what AEW is going to be. It's a curious point were business-wise, wrestling is dope. Lots of good opportunities and big money to be made outside of the mainstream company, but it feels more and more as a niche product, and it already was for the longest time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomethingSavage Posted May 17, 2019 Report Share Posted May 17, 2019 It's no wonder why interest in WWE is way down. Even setting aside all the issues with their presentation and storytelling that we've touched on before... Too many of the guys on TV today seem like they learned to work in a Gymboree in front of a small circle of their friends and peers only, and it shows. Nobody works the crowd. No attempts are made to engage the audience. Nobody even tries to establish any real connection. Nobody elicits a raw reaction. Nobody reaches to invoke any kind of actual human emotion. It's all stringing together moves, like they're at the PC trying to pop their peers or impress the road agents with their "workrate" or some shit. Everything looks & feels like it's being done SPECIFICALLY and ONLY for the sake of receiving a grade or a scorecard at the end. NOTHING feels like a struggle or a fight. There is no urgency. There is no forethought put into what an individual would actually do in any setting. It's all just "hurry up and get to the next rematch." Even worse, they mistakenly confuse all the pregnant pauses, the contrived facial expressions, and the terrible dinner theatre dialogue for "drama." And so that gets done to death. On top of that, we're smack dab in the Gratitude Era - where any match that even has a small fraction of a chance in hell of feeling like something special is immediately undercut by a bunch of their enemies rushing out to pat them on the back, take a bow, or try ultra hard to come up the wittiest way to say, "Congratulations!" on social media. It's pretty fucking awful at best, y'all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted May 17, 2019 Report Share Posted May 17, 2019 It also hurts that the WWE is just hoarding talent they have no intention of using. So even companies like PWG are down because their top guys got poached so they can gather dust in the Performance Center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted May 17, 2019 Report Share Posted May 17, 2019 I was searching for reviews of the Bret vs Magee match in the "The Matches" section and didn't find anything. If that's not an indication PWO is in a downtime, I don't know what is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted May 17, 2019 Report Share Posted May 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jmare007 said: I was searching for reviews of the Bret vs Magee match in the "The Matches" section and didn't find anything. If that's not an indication PWO is in a downtime, I don't know what is. We're more interested in Andre vs Blackwell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted May 17, 2019 Report Share Posted May 17, 2019 52 minutes ago, Matt D said: We're more interested in Andre vs Blackwell? The backdrop Andre took in that match was the most impressive thing in both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted May 17, 2019 Report Share Posted May 17, 2019 58 minutes ago, Jmare007 said: I was searching for reviews of the Bret vs Magee match in the "The Matches" section and didn't find anything. If that's not an indication PWO is in a downtime, I don't know what is. https://forums.prowrestlingonly.com/topic/49674-1986-10-07-wwf-bret-hart-vs-tom-magee/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted May 17, 2019 Report Share Posted May 17, 2019 I would wager when AEW starts and WWE moves to Fox (and in theory has to step their game up in response to both of those), things will pick up significantly here and other places wrestling is discussed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Wolfe Posted May 17, 2019 Report Share Posted May 17, 2019 4 hours ago, SomethingSavage said: .... It's pretty fucking awful at best, y'all. This post was spot on I think. The athletic quality of wrestlers is extremely high right now, maybe the best I've ever saw in terms of overall roster and consistency. But they can't work for shit. There's no tension, no drama, and even the most basic promo feels no better than backyard shit. I would like AEW to give everything a big kick in the arse but i think realistically the problems are too deep with wwe to change it. I watched the shows maybe once a month now. Watched this week and tbh I'm not sure I could even name a memorable segment. Somethings got to change. (That said I am paying for the network so more fool me) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted May 19, 2019 Report Share Posted May 19, 2019 Dasha Fuentes explained why she was released from WWE. Even though she was positive and upbeat about the whole thing, working there sounds like a living hell. https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2019/05/dasha-fuentes-talks-how-roman-reigns-segment-led-to-her-654285/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted May 19, 2019 Report Share Posted May 19, 2019 This was quite the gem from the daily WO update: There was a WWE talent meeting earlier today headed by Stephanie McMahon. It was mostly the same rah-rah type speech they do from time-to-time. The only thing notable is that they directly addressed AEW as their competition. They were pushing the WWE brand hard, the same social media and YouTube stats they always talk about with the idea of having 1 billion followers (adding every form of social media for every performer related to the company), and then said that they are having to compete with video games, movies, other streaming services as well as now AEW. In giving this speech, at no time have they ever mentioned a competing wrestling company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted May 19, 2019 Report Share Posted May 19, 2019 From the last two posts : these people have major psychological issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted May 20, 2019 Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 20 hours ago, El-P said: From the last two posts : these people have major psychological issues. I hope you mean people in WWE and not @sek69 and me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted May 20, 2019 Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 On 5/17/2019 at 11:44 AM, Mad Dog said: It also hurts that the WWE is just hoarding talent they have no intention of using. So even companies like PWG are down because their top guys got poached so they can gather dust in the Performance Center. This has basically drained my current wrestling viewing to nil. The last year or so of signings has pulled so many of the people I love to watch out of the indies. I feel so glad now that I went to Mania 34 weekend and got to see so many shows. I felt at the time that it might be the last Mania weekend of its kind and it sure looks like it was, at least until WWE hopefully has a bad quarter and fires everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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