Bix Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 --Really great promo by Jim Cornette on the site talking about the psychology of pro wrestling in the 70s and 80s vs. UFC today, some interesting thoughts on Brock Lesnar, TNA, ROH, Vince Russo, Lesnar in the Hall of Fame, John Laurinaitis vs. Jim Ross as WWE head of Talent Relations, Dana White vs. Vince McMahon and more at http://media001.f4wonline.com/dmdocuments/092909tt.mp3Is it just me or does Dave seem to be failing to understand that he's linking to the pay section of his own website? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruiserBrody Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 --Really great promo by Jim Cornette on the site talking about the psychology of pro wrestling in the 70s and 80s vs. UFC today, some interesting thoughts on Brock Lesnar, TNA, ROH, Vince Russo, Lesnar in the Hall of Fame, John Laurinaitis vs. Jim Ross as WWE head of Talent Relations, Dana White vs. Vince McMahon and more at http://media001.f4wonline.com/dmdocuments/092909tt.mp3Is it just me or does Dave seem to be failing to understand that he's linking to the pay section of his own website? Its you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Figured. I have to make sure about these things sometimes, and normally they say "In the member only section of the site..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Todd Martin didn't bother to remember the names of the women from Access Hollywood or pretended not to know them. Either way, it's annoying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 He's annoying so it all works out in the end. He should just quit writing about WWE and stick to jacking off to UFC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 How dare these women I've never heard of, obviously completely talentless, waste my precious time by sullying the pro wrestling I held so dear until it became more profitable to report on MMA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Evans Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 That man has a HOF ballot for doing that shit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Dave runs in to make the save for Todd on the Figure Four message board : Final thought was really a great point. They're not all booked the same (Bob Barker), but as a general rule most weeks they are interchangeable. Point about switching the women before a PPV designed as brand vs. brand being something special was also real good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Todd didn't know who Johnny Knoxville was. Despite being in his mid/late 20s at the time he had never heard of the fucking A-Team. The A-TEAM This man fits right in with Dave and Bryan as he has no basic pop culture knowledge (and annoyingly assumes his audience is the same) And he seems to be proud of this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Speaking of that, I've always found it funny when Dave gets so angry when dated pop culture references are made on wrestling shows. He takes it too far sometimes. Remember when he got upset because Nash mentioned Lee Harvey Oswald, and said no one would get it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boondocks Kernoodle Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Yeah, when JBL was an announcer, Dave mentioned his dated references every week. Like he's one to talk. A few years ago Dave made reference to the classic TNBC series "California Dreams" in his newsletter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Despite being in his mid/late 20s at the time he had never heard of the fucking A-Team. The A-TEAMWait what? When was this and what was the context? How can you be a long-time wrestling fan of some sort and not know what the A-Team was? Its existence gave us the initial Wrestlemania angle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CompletePlayer Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Despite being in his mid/late 20s at the time he had never heard of the fucking A-Team. The A-TEAMWait what? When was this and what was the context? How can you be a long-time wrestling fan of some sort and not know what the A-Team was? Its existence gave us the initial Wrestlemania angle. During the whole Rampage Jackson drama with him withdrawing from a UFC fight to be B.A. Baracus in the upcoming A-Team remake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eduardo Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 On a similar note, this reminds me of this one time on WOR, Bryan Alvarez mentioned watching Married with Children, and I've never heard a man be as shocked as Dave Meltzer was. Meltzer then proclaimed that he didn't think Alvarez watched anything but wrestling in that loud Dave Meltzer proclamation voice. It was really amusing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cox Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Weren't Nancy O'Dell and Maria Menounos on the show to plug some sort of charity thing? To pull the refuse to acknowledge thing when they were there to plug something to help others, not to plug their TV show, is pretty rotten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 The only worthless guest hosts so far have been Sharpton (politically) & ZZ Top (not known for charismatic speaking) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Despite being in his mid/late 20s at the time he had never heard of the fucking A-Team. The A-TEAMWait what? When was this and what was the context? How can you be a long-time wrestling fan of some sort and not know what the A-Team was? Its existence gave us the initial Wrestlemania angle. Cena's music video in 04/05 that had an A-Team theme. Todd claimed he didn't get any of the references and had never heard of the show Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 From Jeff Hamlin's TNA Report Jeremy Borash was backstage with West and Red. West is now Red’s “official promoter,” which is carny for his mouthpiece because Red’s English isn’t good enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 I don't buy that. I've talked to Red, and his English is just fine. The real problem is that he's a shy, quiet little dude who isn't any good at cutting promos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cox Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Yeah, that's pretty racist. I'm pretty sure Red was born in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Chico made this statement last night on WOL talking about the Tara/Kim Couture angle and the whole TNA vs. MMA deal being silly due to MMA being an artform not a promotion. "Isn't pro wrestling MMA inside a ring?" Wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 They also went into how they think you can only rate a match on the day it's held unless you can get into the proper context of where the promotion was at that point in history. Dave's noted that things could change based upon moves being invented and moves being ruined, among other things. In those aforementioned cases...maybe. Something like Liger-Dragon from the 1/4/93 dome show (and I know it was never held in especially high regard, but I don't think people crapped on it, so work with me) is horrible now. It looks like the forefather of generic indy junior matches now because everything in it is played out. Plus, a match that's largely spectacular spots is going to look different based on the fact that flyers are so much more spectacular now, and in general, context is always important. Otherwise...I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 On the day it happened? Most matches that have aired on TV in history are in the can. 99% of all matches from Japan or Mexico he has ever seen were taped in advance. I know what he meant, but I think the point still stands, in the sense that you can't make a statement like that and imply some type of magical cutoff. Yes, I agree that the historical context always needs to be considered when watching any match, but it is a credit if a match holds up over a long period of time. Music critics make lists sometimes of stuff that sounds good now (not necessarily what was best *then*), so this isn't unique to wrestling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 I don't think they thought this one through. It's sounds like they thought they reached a deep moment of Truth with the concept captured in Bix's first sentence, and didn't think ponder the fairly obvious places it takes them, nor the self-contradictions with what they've said in the past. Unless they think they always get into the proper context of the promotion when watching stuff that isn't "live". John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 It's sounds like they thought they reached a deep moment of Truth with the concept captured in Bix's first sentence I don't think they came to this deep moment of Truth by themselves. Sounds like Dave and Bryan not stopping to think about what the wrestlers tell them and just taking it at face value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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