JerryvonKramer Posted July 18, 2014 Report Posted July 18, 2014 Got a quick overview of that for those without subs? One of my favourite Dave audio's ever: Peach State Pandemonium: Black Saturday Special with Dave Meltzer and Mike Mooneyham :http://www.blogtalkradio.com/PSP/2009/07/15/Peach-State-Pandemonium.mp3 I listened to this earlier and thought it was very good. Dave actually addressed quite a few of the things we've discussed on this board recently and in the past. Raised a smile or two from me when he called Vince a genius. The also discuss the difference between fans now and back in the day. Was quite interesting. A lot of talk of "emotional investment", which is quite clear to see from footage then and now. Quote
jdw Posted July 18, 2014 Report Posted July 18, 2014 Who said Vince isn't a genius? He's the greatest wrestling promoter who ever lived. The word wasn't "genius". It was "innovator", and what his major one/ones were. Quote
JerryvonKramer Posted July 18, 2014 Report Posted July 18, 2014 Plenty of people, you're not the only guy on this board you know. Quote
goodhelmet Posted July 20, 2014 Report Posted July 20, 2014 Some people here are going to hate this but I was never a fan of the later Battlarts and Futen style stuff where it was just a spotfest of potato shots. To me, Battlarts was at its best when it was either shoot style matwork or guys doing regular obvious cooperative pro wrestling spots with UWF/shoot style pacing. Something like Carl Greco matches or Ishikawa-Usuda for the former and Ikeda-Otsuka or the stuff with the Michinoku Pro guys was a lot more entertaining to me than Ikeda-Ishikawa was. Yeah, I don't know what to tell you. Ishikawa-Ikeda is like watching a painting come to life but painted in blood and sweat. The Battlarts stuff with junior guys like Minoru Tanaka was shit. No complaints about Usuda or Malenko. Those guys were awesome. Quote
ohtani's jacket Posted July 20, 2014 Report Posted July 20, 2014 I like Futen and late period BattlARTS, but the 2005 Ishikawa/Ikeda match was disturbing. Their late 90s work is a lot better. Quote
dawho5 Posted July 20, 2014 Report Posted July 20, 2014 Disturbing in what way? I can see the level of violence involved being too much for somebody. Them just punching each other in the face for 18 minutes had me wondering how they were doing that and still putting that much energy into things. Having taken more than a few punches to the face in a sparring setting over the course of about 90 minutes, I can tell you that it wears you down really fast. Quote
ohtani's jacket Posted July 20, 2014 Report Posted July 20, 2014 It was too stiff. I don't need to see them punch each other when they're such great mat workers. I get that they were trying to do something different from how they'd worked previously, but some of the blows were sickening. Quote
dawho5 Posted July 20, 2014 Report Posted July 20, 2014 I would agree that it outdoes 99.9% of the wrestling I have seen as far as stiffness. By a long, long way. I think part of the reason I loved it was that I had just watched a few of those "epic" main event style matches right before it. In context of 2000s Japanese wrestling, I think the shorter, more to the point matches have the effect of making them seem a little better than they are in comparison to the 30+ minute "this is a title match so we have to make this epic" matches. Quote
Matt D Posted July 22, 2014 Report Posted July 22, 2014 The Georgia stuff from this week's WON is probably the single worst written article I can remember Dave writing in ages. It's in almost reverse chronological order for a huge chunk and is pretty incomprehensible which is frustrating since there is so much good info in there. Quote
BillThompson Posted July 23, 2014 Report Posted July 23, 2014 The Georgia stuff from this week's WON is probably the single worst written article I can remember Dave writing in ages. It's in almost reverse chronological order for a huge chunk and is pretty incomprehensible which is frustrating since there is so much good info in there. Is this the article most have been praising everywhere, or a different one? Quote
Matt D Posted July 23, 2014 Report Posted July 23, 2014 The same. If I had a bit more free time, I'd reedit the thing into something that's actually readable because the info contained within is very good. Quote
goc Posted July 23, 2014 Report Posted July 23, 2014 I'm not really sure what you didn't like about it. I just read it specifically due to your complaint but thought it was a pretty good article. Quote
Matt D Posted July 23, 2014 Report Posted July 23, 2014 It's not really any different than his bios which you sort of learn how to read and I'm sure we all have. The real difference was the larger cast of characters. The big knot to me was when he started to go on about all the different people who owned the territory and why they did and it started moving around in space and time too much. Quote
Cox Posted July 23, 2014 Report Posted July 23, 2014 There is a certain "drunk guy rambling through an old story" quality to Dave's historic pieces and obits. On one hand, you can't believe all of these great stories you're reading, but on the other hand, you wish he'd just sober up and actually tell the story in something resembling chronological order. Quote
vikingsfan73 Posted July 24, 2014 Report Posted July 24, 2014 The same. If I had a bit more free time, I'd reedit the thing into something that's actually readable because the info contained within is very good. I tried to do that a couple of times with the obits, one of them being Randy Savage's. It was a damn near impossible task which gave me a headache. After reading Meltzer's stuff for awhile, you just get used to it. Quote
goc Posted July 24, 2014 Report Posted July 24, 2014 I never really mind the way he jumps around as long as he eventually gets back to the main point. My attention span is the absolute worst, maybe it helps my ADD brain stay engaged when he jumps all around the place. Quote
BigBadMick Posted July 24, 2014 Report Posted July 24, 2014 My first experience of Dave was with the Tributes book in 2001. I found his style a bit jarring but had enough background info on most of the wrestler bios to fill in the blanks myself. I agree that it's a challenging, almost interactive, way to get through his longer articles, but I enjoy it. My next encounter was his Wrestling Gold commentary with Cornette. This was staggeringly good. Took a few rewatches to absorb all the info therein. Quote
soup23 Posted July 24, 2014 Report Posted July 24, 2014 There is a certain "drunk guy rambling through an old story" quality to Dave's historic pieces and obits. On one hand, you can't believe all of these great stories you're reading, but on the other hand, you wish he'd just sober up and actually tell the story in something resembling chronological order. This is my exact thought listening to Sorrow on a podcast. Quote
sek69 Posted July 24, 2014 Report Posted July 24, 2014 My wife is dyslexic, and she has the habit (especially when tired) to get the words in her sentences backwards when talking. Over the years, my brain's kind of adapted and I just hear the words in the correct order no matter if that's how she said them or not. Reading the long Observer pieces gives me the same effect. Quote
Guest Eduardo James Posted July 27, 2014 Report Posted July 27, 2014 About 5 days late, but I happened to listen to the Bryan, Vinny and Craig show. I usually avoid the B+V shows and have no idea who Craig is, but what the fuck did he do to Bryan to warrant the on-air verbal dressing down he got? It was slightly uncomfortable. Quote
BigBadMick Posted July 27, 2014 Report Posted July 27, 2014 Listening to Bryan and Dave discussing the Daniel Bryan burglary. Bryan starts asking how upset the dog was, and whether it was available for interview. He's a profoundly unfunny man. Quote
Sidebottom Posted July 27, 2014 Report Posted July 27, 2014 With Dave saying some huge news is upcoming this week, any speculation? Quote
goc Posted July 27, 2014 Report Posted July 27, 2014 My guess is something to do with TNA's TV deal. Quote
gingears Posted July 27, 2014 Report Posted July 27, 2014 I think the updated WWE Network subscriber total is coming this week. Quote
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