sek69 Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 So reading the historical WON that was just posted really illustrated how much of a clusterfuck was going on backstage in 1997 WWF. I never knew Shamrock took HBK's place in the Canadian Stampede 10 man tag (although it makes perfect sense), and it fills in the gaps on what led Vince to decide to do what he did at Survivor Series. To paraphrase Chris Rock's take on OJ, I ain't saying Vince should have screwed him.....but I understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Fuck man, now I wanna see the Bryan Danielson vs Minoru Suzuki match that wasn't taped on a house show that Dave talked about on today's show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eduardo James Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 I'm not Canadian, but it involves Dave and I figured it might more attention here rather than a topic stuffed away in a sub-forum. Â Meltzer says it's been a huge success in Canada. Sorry guys. Â Â Meltzer says it's been a huge success in Canada. Sorry guys. Did he explain how? It's not available to hardly anyone, free for those who do get it, hasn't passed CRTC approval yet and did I mention most of the country doesn't get it? Â Â Just that it's (in Alvarez's words) exceeded expectations. Anyone can shed some light on whether Dave is right or blowing smoke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 It would appear WWE set the bar ridiculously low, so the trifle matter of most of the country not being able to get it doesn't matter. Â Reading between the lines of WWE's announcement made it seem like Rogers gave them stupid amounts of money so the threshold for success being low makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 From the BOARD: Â "People take rumors too seriously. I know. but what a coincidence that with the exception of Punk's match with HHH and Bryan added to the title match because of the fans, that we had the top matches at Mania in December. Lots of lucky guesses and bad rumors going around. Lesnar vs. Reigns was decided either shortly before or shortly after Mania. The Lesnar-Cena match was the booked Lesnar-Bryan match from the start, the booked story of crushing the fans hearts with a reality check, and then Reigns saves the day. It can all change, and sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't. Last year's main was first supposed to be Rock vs. Lesnar, but Rock opted out, and then Austin vs. HHH, but Austin wasn't willing." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 They are going to get blindsided again. No doubt. If Bryan was healthy I wonder how the crowds would have taken to him being slaughtered like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 If Bryan would have been in that match and it was booked the same way, it probably would have made the Rumble look like a love fest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steenalized Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Dave says in the latest Observer that the Cena-Lesnar matches have been more reminiscent of Japanese matches than WWE work. While I agree that this one was very much not a traditional WWE match, I'm not exactly buying that either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Liska Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Dave went **** on Reigns-Orton. It seems crazy, but I think it explains the disconnect between him and a lot of us regarding NJPW. Reigns-Orton didn't have much of a body of the match, but it peaked with some really cool finisher reversals and kick-outs, and the crowd was hot for the last few minutes. Every somewhat big NJPW match ends with finisher reversals and kick-outs and the crowd responding well. This is how you get him saying the Osaka and Korakuen G-1 shows were 2 of the best 5 wrestling shows of all-time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Orton-Reigns was really flat with the crowd at Casa del Hoback... and it wasn't a trio of James, grumpy Yohe and grumpy jdw. I was the only grumpy person there, and the other 6 were all watchers of current WWE and generally like the stuff, or at least some of it. Everyone in the room hated Orton, and not in the Good Heel Hate, but in that same old Get Off My Fucking TV Hate. Reigns was surprisingly not as over in the room as you would think for someone who is suppose to main event Mania. Â The Lumberjack match had vastly more attention and interest in the room. Â So... yeah, there are some disconnects. I get mine: I'm not at all a fan of modern WWE product. But even a room of generally WWE Fans didn't see that show like Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 It wasn't just a Dave thing . I personally thought Orton/Reigns was the worst match on the show. The Observer readers thought Orton/Reigns was the 3rd best match on the show. Is it sheep following the Shepard? I don't know, none the less I don't get it. Maybe Dave has a big Samoan following. Different strokes for different folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 I enjoyed the fuck out of the match and I haven't read the WON in years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steenalized Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Dave undoubtedly has a soft spot for Orton. He consistently refers to him as a great worker in the podcasts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 I enjoyed the fuck out of the match and I haven't read the WON in years. Johnny obviously the comment wasn't aimed at you. You weren't one of the people who gave feedback to the Observer. Of the 350+ that gave feedback it was the match that got the. 3rd most best match of the night votes. It was also got the 5th most votes for worst match of the night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Â I enjoyed the fuck out of the match and I haven't read the WON in years.Johnny obviously the comment wasn't aimed at you. You weren't one of the people who gave feedback to the Observer. Of the 350+ that gave feedback it was the match that got the. 3rd most best match of the night votes.Oh I know. I'm just saying that perhaps it isn't blind lemming following since guys like me dug the match too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Gotcha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 How did twenty something people vote the Rusev match the worst? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 How did twenty something people vote the Rusev match the worst? Â Did Meltzer hate it? If so, there's your answer. Â I thought it was a surprisingly fun match - one of the better matches on the card, truth be told. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Â Â How did twenty something people vote the Rusev match the worst? Did Meltzer hate it? If so, there's your answer. Â I thought it was a surprisingly fun match - one of the better matches on the card, truth be told. Meltzer gave it 3 1/4*. I thought it was a real strong match. I'm beginning to feel the people who give feedback to the Observer which I do put more stock into Highspots and the wow factor than actual working a match with a compelling story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Dave undoubtedly has a soft spot for Orton. He consistently refers to him as a great worker in the podcasts. Â Dear god... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Â Dave undoubtedly has a soft spot for Orton. He consistently refers to him as a great worker in the podcasts. Dear god... Â WWE office thinks he is. A lot and I mean a lot of old timers cite him as someone who is a great worker. Â The same old timers tend to be friends of or least admirers of Randy's father Bob Orton. Â Back to Meltzer if want to play the crony/bias game he is very close friends with Larry Matysik who again is very close to Bob Orton. Larry controversially to say the least listed Randy Orton as #50 in his 50 Greatest Professional Wrestlers of All Time book - excluding Rey Mysterio. Larry's defences of that were never really convincing. Larry has a lot of value and perspective but he is a huge homer for St. Louis. Someone who comes from the St. Louis Wrestling scene and that I trust as a SOURCE says Bob (and possibly Randy) is a Meltzer source. I've known this person since 2007 and has never lied or been wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Log Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Orton is my favorite guy I can't stand. Â By that, I mean I never look forward to seeing him, but I end up enjoying more of his matches than I'd have thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cox Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 I don't think even the most anti-Dave guy on this message board would accuse Meltzer of cronyism when it comes to Orton. I'm sure he's had a lot of sources whose matches he's ripped to shreds, while also praising matches of guys who have been a dick to him. Dave's tastes have always been a bit goofy, so when I hear him praising Orton so much, I just chalk that up as another weird Dave opinion that I don't get. Hey, clearly somebody at WWE agrees, because he's almost always in the top mix, even if a lot of other folks think he's well beyond stale. Certainly, Dave hasn't been afraid to criticize Orton when he's acted like an ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Orton just needs a total refreshment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Orton is my favorite guy I can't stand. Â By that, I mean I never look forward to seeing him, but I end up enjoying more of his matches than I'd have thought. Â This is a great way of putting it... although I haven't felt this way about Orton in years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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