Grimmas Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 You can discuss what makes him a good worker, perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkdoc Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 yea joe, i'm in the camp that says it's ridiculous to induct any active wrestlers, at least until they're at the phase of their career where they're just living off nostalgia at indie shows or such. i wouldn't be sold on tanahashi right now because i'd want to see what new japan looks like 10 years from now, considering how much his candidacy relies on the savior narrative. EDIT: i do recall yohe putting tanahashi on his ballot without watching him, and admitting it was based on meltzer's writing about him. that's the sort of thing we mean here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 I can prove Hulk Hogan is a better draw than Abyss. Nobody can prove either is a better worker. Unless you go by the definition some wrestlers have given of a worker - whoever drew the most fans. By that standard, Hogan outworked the living hell out of Abyss (and most everyone else). The IWC definition of a worker is impossible to prove, and the Meltzer version of the term IMO values certain things that favor certain types of wrestlers and specific styles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 I'm pretty sure it'd be pretty easy to prove Hogan was a better "worker" than Abyss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 And i think i could explain with examples why Jerry Lawler is a great wrestler. If you can do the same, explaining why he sucks, with examples from his peak, that would be more interesting to me. Having said that, I am not interested in talking Tanahashi or Lawler with you. I have a list of ten other wrestlers I would rather discuss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 And i think i could explain with examples why Jerry Lawler is a great wrestler. If you can do the same, explaining why he sucks, with examples from his peak, that would be more interesting to me.Why would I do that ? Oh, you're probably not talking to me. Haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 Yeah, I just got the reply button when I saw Joe's post. Anyway, really enjoyed the audio between Meltzer and Matt Farmer. Didn't agree with some of the opinions but Idid like tthe discussion about the working differences between today and the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 The history pieces in today's WON were really great especially the Barnett/Australia one. Also Meltz confirmed that he will break his attending Mania rule next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerpride Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 I thought he went to 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFTV Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 Also Meltz confirmed that he will break his attending Mania rule next year. I wonder if the WWE will shoot some video w/Dave for the Network since they will be out in his area for a week. I remember him saying if they asked he wouldn't be opposed to do some talking head segments if he could work it into his schedule on his podcast within the last couple of months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 I thought he went to 12 Pretty sure he did too, but he's said he got so behind he wouldn't go again. I guess WM being almost literally in his back yard changed his mind. I think Dave is just a human shark who will die if he stands still too long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artDDP Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 WWE needs to get Dave Meltzer and Bill Apter together for something on the Network. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidebottom Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 How many times has Dave appeared on WWE programming? I know he was a talking head on one of Foley's home videos around 1999/2000 time, I can't think of another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakla Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 Don't remember the Foley one, that's amazing. Didn't a scan (or mockup) of an Observer show up on the Pillman DVD? If WWE gets Dave to do talking head pieces, they might edit it like on the Simpsons when Homer did that TV interview during his sexual harassment accusation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artDDP Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 Don't remember the Foley one, that's amazing. Didn't a scan (or mockup) of an Observer show up on the Pillman DVD? If WWE gets Dave to do talking head pieces, they might edit it like on the Simpsons when Homer did that TV interview during his sexual harassment accusation. This was the same episode where Groundskeeper Willie was dubbed "'Rowdy' Roddy Peeper" by the tabloid show, correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakla Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 Don't remember the Foley one, that's amazing. Didn't a scan (or mockup) of an Observer show up on the Pillman DVD? If WWE gets Dave to do talking head pieces, they might edit it like on the Simpsons when Homer did that TV interview during his sexual harassment accusation. This was the same episode where Groundskeeper Willie was dubbed "'Rowdy' Roddy Peeper" by the tabloid show, correct? Yep, almost forgot about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Ewiak Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 If anybody has an Observer subscription, listen to the Todd Martin show with Bryan, even if you don't normally. They're going through old '82 Observer's starting about half an hour in, and there's highlights like Dave's star ratings for various promotions, the top TV shows for '82, Jim Duggan being rated a better wrestler than Ted DiBiase, and somebody writing in complaining that there's too many Japanese & Mexican wrestlers on the Dave's top 150 wrestlers list (Spoiler Alert - No Backlund on the list at all! Sweet Justice for Parv!), and somebody else (I think) also complaining that Gagne & Brunzell was only ranked #75 and #81 - maybe it's Dylan writing in via time travel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 But it involves CAPITAL T~! Todd Martin. Not sure I can do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadMick Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 But it involves CAPITAL T~! Todd Martin. Not sure I can do it. Is he that bad? I find Alvarez more annoying than him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 But it involves CAPITAL T~! Todd Martin. Not sure I can do it.Is he that bad? I find Alvarez more annoying than him. The impression of Todd comes from people reading his Raw reviews. It is a pretty dated impression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 I still can't forgive him for railroading the SMW Cornette podcast. I thought Cornette was going to get to talk about the entire promotion including successes and failures. Instead it was an hour of Jim defending the New Jack angle against Todd Martin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 But it involves CAPITAL T~! Todd Martin. Not sure I can do it.Is he that bad? I find Alvarez more annoying than him.The impression of Todd comes from people reading his Raw reviews. It is a pretty dated impression.Nah. I doubt I have even read more than one or two of them. Why would I care what anyone on that wesbsite not named Dave Meltzer thinks of Raw? It's because he comes across as a complete douche on the shows with Bryan. Like almost as unlistenable as Lance Storm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadMick Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 But it involves CAPITAL T~! Todd Martin. Not sure I can do it.Is he that bad? I find Alvarez more annoying than him.The impression of Todd comes from people reading his Raw reviews. It is a pretty dated impression.Nah. I doubt I have even read more than one or two of them. Why would I care what anyone on that wesbsite not named Dave Meltzer thinks of Raw? It's because he comes across as a complete douche on the shows with Bryan. Like almost as unlistenable as Lance Storm. Storm's a problem too? I find him enjoyable enough. A bit dry, but he usually comes up with booking suggestions to improve Raw on the fly that make sense.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadMick Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 I still can't forgive him for railroading the SMW Cornette podcast. I thought Cornette was going to get to talk about the entire promotion including successes and failures. Instead it was an hour of Jim defending the New Jack angle against Todd Martin. That does sound annoying alright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pol Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 Based on my limited experience of Martin he seems to find it impossible to enjoy anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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