Mad Dog Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 But there aren't thousands of people out there chomping at the bit to watch Japanese wrestling that are being turned off by this. If that's true, then Jericho wrestling Omega is completely pointless. The whole idea - I'd imagine - is to get thousands of new fans. But New Japan needs to meet those fans halfway by upgrading their bush league NJPW World service. It's to draw for their American shows plus it will probably get them some attention in Japan. Their product can be as amazing as they want and their streaming service as simple as possible and they still will have a limited appeal because of the language barrier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 If having a US version of New Japan World means we are stuck having to listen to Jim Ross/Kevin Kelly/Cyrus/etc only do commentary then keep it out of the country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 People are funny. Back in the days to see a NJ show, you had to pay 20$ plus shipping then wait weeks before it got to you. For a bootleg tape. That took space. And really, if you want to see NJ, or anything else for that matter, for free, it's not very hard either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 People are funny. Back in the days to see a NJ show, you had to pay 20$ plus shipping then wait weeks before it got to you. For a bootleg tape. That took space. And really, if you want to see NJ, or anything else for that matter, for free, it's not very hard either. The number of people I know that actively watch New Japan now is about double what it used to be. But they were interested before and just had that price barrier. The vast majority of wrestling fans I know in real life, you can't get them to watch anything that isn't WWE. They might even enjoy something you show them but they have no interest in wrestling outside of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 If having a US version of New Japan World means we are stuck having to listen to Jim Ross/Kevin Kelly/Cyrus/etc only do commentary then keep it out of the country Yeah, that’s not what I am interested in. At all. All I want is an app that is functional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 People are funny. Back in the days to see a NJ show, you had to pay 20$ plus shipping then wait weeks before it got to you. For a bootleg tape. That took space. And really, if you want to see NJ, or anything else for that matter, for free, it's not very hard either. Yeah, that’s how I watch it now. Since I’m an adult with a job, I’d prefer to just give them my money because it’s easier and more dependable than torrents, but so it goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 I can see how Callis's schtick can turn some people off, but Kevin Kelly has been fine on the shows I've watched. JR only was on the one Long Beach show because it was just a direct feed from AXS so you won't have to worry about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 I would consider watching the English feed for better announcers but I stick to Japanese because it feels more authentic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadaveri Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 I find it really stupid and detracting when the English commentary talks about what star ratings Dave Meltzer gave X's matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 I hated that with Ring of Honor commentary in the old days too. But you so miss Gedo on commentary with the English and he sounds like Kermit the Frog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 I mean, the Venn diagram of English language NJPW World subscribers and WON subscribers is almost a complete overlap, so it doesnt seem completely out of place to me. It always seems like a lot of folks think Japanese wrestling somehow is lessened if it doesnt remind them of the tapes they saw that first piqued their interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 I like what the Stardom service does as far as how English friendly they've made the product. I wish NJPW would do that but it's not a deal breaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 I mean, the Venn diagram of English language NJPW World subscribers and WON subscribers is almost a complete overlap, so it doesnt seem completely out of place to me. Yes it is. It's absolutely god-awful and should never, ever be addressed on air. "Treat it like it's real or just shut the fuck up". It's cringe-worthy enough when announcers say stuff like "match of the year", but at least it can be understood as "it's an awesome competitive match". But throwing star ratings as part of announcing, that's just a no-go-zone. Or it means we've officially entered the "pro-wrestling as figure skating" era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted November 19, 2017 Report Share Posted November 19, 2017 I mean, the Venn diagram of English language NJPW World subscribers and WON subscribers is almost a complete overlap, so it doesnt seem completely out of place to me. Yes it is. It's absolutely god-awful and should never, ever be addressed on air. "Treat it like it's real or just shut the fuck up". It's cringe-worthy enough when announcers say stuff like "match of the year", but at least it can be understood as "it's an awesome competitive match". But throwing star ratings as part of announcing, that's just a no-go-zone. Or it means we've officially entered the "pro-wrestling as figure skating" era. For certain wrestlers and promotions we absolutely have entered that era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadaveri Posted November 19, 2017 Report Share Posted November 19, 2017 It always seems like a lot of folks think Japanese wrestling somehow is lessened if it doesnt remind them of the tapes they saw that first piqued their interest. Not with me as the first Japanese show I ever watched was Wrestle Kingdom 9. I don't mind on social media/documentaries etc. but on a wrestling show I want everyone to treat it like it's real. Talking star ratings in a wrestling show is like someone in a Star Wars movie complementing the special effects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted November 19, 2017 Report Share Posted November 19, 2017 Just got through last week's WON and in reviewing Omega/Baretta, Dave noted how strongly the match was over with the crowd by pointing to "This is Awesome" and "Holy Shit" chants in English from the live audience. Except it wasn't the live audience chanting that, but rather the Young Bucks at ringside. No idea how he missed that but it seemed like quite the oversight given how much credit he gave the match for these "English" chants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 So did Bryan stuff Bix in the lockers when he worked on the newsletter? His constant subtweets and out and out pissy mean girl tweets are getting hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Thread Killer Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 If Bryan stuffed Bix in a locker, then JR must have given him an atomic wedgie when he got out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 So did Bryan stuff Bix in the lockers when he worked on the newsletter? His constant subtweets and out and out pissy mean girl tweets are getting hilarious. Bryan seems more like the swirlie type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 So did Bryan stuff Bix in the lockers when he worked on the newsletter? His constant subtweets and out and out pissy mean girl tweets are getting hilarious.I just finally figured out he's kind of a shitty human being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 So did Bryan stuff Bix in the lockers when he worked on the newsletter? His constant subtweets and out and out pissy mean girl tweets are getting hilarious.I just finally figured out he's kind of a shitty human being. Oh do tell... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Liska Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 So did Bryan stuff Bix in the lockers when he worked on the newsletter? His constant subtweets and out and out pissy mean girl tweets are getting hilarious.I just finally figured out he's kind of a shitty human being. Was it when someone found audio of him in 2011 talking about what a bad worker Cena was? That's enough for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMKK Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 His wrestling opinions do tend to be out of touch and terrible but that's not unique! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 Imagine thinking Bryan Alvarez was stuffing people into lockers in high school instead of being stuffed into them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 Ahhhh, it's time for a BIX BURIAL~! BERRIED~! A fun show as always so check it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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