sek69 Posted October 14, 2018 Report Share Posted October 14, 2018 If I'm WWE, I ask the Saudis if I can skip this show due to the political pressure and wait and see how the waters are for next time (assuming the deal was for spring/fall shows every year). It would probably be a safe bet to assume there would be less outrage by then due to the goldfish-like memories we have as a society now. Of course that all assumes there's not a more horrifying story waiting to drop after this one. (Doesn't it seem so long ago when the biggest problem with these shows was the lack of women?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMKK Posted October 14, 2018 Report Share Posted October 14, 2018 14 minutes ago, sek69 said: If I'm WWE, I ask the Saudis if I can skip this show due to the political pressure and wait and see how the waters are for next time (assuming the deal was for spring/fall shows every year). It would probably be a safe bet to assume there would be less outrage by then due to the goldfish-like memories we have as a society now. Of course that all assumes there's not a more horrifying story waiting to drop after this one. (Doesn't it seem so long ago when the biggest problem with these shows was the lack of women?) Tbf, that's just because western media tends to ignore what the Saudis have been doing in Yemen for the last couple of years, which is tantamount to genocide. So there's horrifying shit going on there constantly. It just depends whether this current thing means that it gets more traction over the coming months. We were talking about what the workers think about all this andI wonder how Cena feels about this, in the sense that he's basically on his way out of wrestling and it may be more important for him to maintain his public image for general audiences than to keep Vince happy. He seems popular enough outside of wrestling but having his name attached to stories like this can't do his growing outside career any favours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted October 14, 2018 Report Share Posted October 14, 2018 Let's recall how quickly and readily WWE talent piled on Dave after his Peyton Royce comments. But none of them can bring themselves to make a principled stand when things are about as black and white as they get in the real world? Fuck the whole lot of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaeo_ Posted October 14, 2018 Report Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 hour ago, sek69 said: (Doesn't it seem so long ago when the biggest problem with these shows was the lack of women?) I remember Karim Zidan wrote about the Saudi regime when the first show happened. The lack of women working the show was really a symptom of the larger problem of running a propaganda show for them. At least that's how I think you would have to typify it. I frankly don't think the WWE care at all, in the same way that the American government has never cared about Saudi human right abuses and crimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted October 14, 2018 Report Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 hour ago, NintendoLogic said: Let's recall how quickly and readily WWE talent piled on Dave after his Peyton Royce comments. But none of them can bring themselves to make a principled stand when things are about as black and white as they get in the real world? Fuck the whole lot of them. Oh, that's apples and oranges. Talent rightfully calling out some of Dave Meltzer's inappropriate comments is completely different than commenting on something like this, that has garnered the attention of Congress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted October 14, 2018 Report Share Posted October 14, 2018 2 hours ago, aaeo_ said: I remember Karim Zidan wrote about the Saudi regime when the first show happened. The lack of women working the show was really a symptom of the larger problem of running a propaganda show for them. At least that's how I think you would have to typify it. I frankly don't think the WWE care at all, in the same way that the American government has never cared about Saudi human right abuses and crimes. Pfft it wasn't JUST Karim who wrote that article... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted October 14, 2018 Report Share Posted October 14, 2018 8 hours ago, FMKK said: Tbf, that's just because western media tends to ignore what the Saudis have been doing in Yemen for the last couple of years, which is tantamount to genocide. So there's horrifying shit going on there constantly. It just depends whether this current thing means that it gets more traction over the coming months. This. A few months ago, five human right activist women have been sentenced to death penalty, just because (hey, but now they can drive to their own execution, that's progressive). This regime is atrocious, and the propaganda pieces the WWE ran last time should have been enough for them to be completely blasted. Well, let's see what happens and how those awful people (the WWE I mean) will try to twist an impossible situation into more hypocritical PR. Hint : renaming the event November to Dismember would not be a sensible idea... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert S Posted October 14, 2018 Report Share Posted October 14, 2018 My bet: they will stop plugging the event on US TV and the Network, but nothing else will change. Unless the plugging is part of the deal with the Saudis. In that case nothing will change at all. I mean it is not as if any sponsors have threatened to quit in the case that if they go forward with the event. The only way this gets cancelled is if somehow there would be a risk in losing money that is remotely in the ballpark as the Saudi deal. And the only such thing I can think of is the TV deal, and there is just no way that they will lose that over this event. Not to get too political, but it's just the same thing as the weapon's deal: moral highground stops as soon as it effects the bottom line. And this November to Dismember joke made me laugh far too much. I am a bad person... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted October 14, 2018 Report Share Posted October 14, 2018 https://www.f4wonline.com/wwe-news/crown-jewel-removed-wwecom-calendar-267876?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiva Posted October 14, 2018 Report Share Posted October 14, 2018 Despite this, Meltzer says the show is still on as scheduled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMKK Posted October 14, 2018 Report Share Posted October 14, 2018 So they're just gonna pretend as if they're not doing it but do it anyway. TV this week will be weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMJ Posted October 14, 2018 Report Share Posted October 14, 2018 Sadly/unfortunately, this is actually how they should've been doing it all along. Like how Beyonce and Mariah Carey performed for the Qaddafis. If you're going to perform for ruthless dictators around the globe for huge, huge paychecks, try your best to do it in relative secrecy. The WWE have unwisely treated these shows as WrestleMania-level spectacles and promoted the hell out of their deal with the Saudis when, if they' had not gone out of their way to make these shows a big deal and treated them like an MSG house show, for example, they wouldn't be in the position they're in now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted October 14, 2018 Report Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 hour ago, FMKK said: So they're just gonna pretend as if they're not doing it but do it anyway. TV this week will be weird. Was just thinking about what would be the most WWE way to handle this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted October 14, 2018 Report Share Posted October 14, 2018 It's back on the WWE.com calendar now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomethingSavage Posted October 14, 2018 Report Share Posted October 14, 2018 This Shawn Michaels unretirement angle is shaping up to be the stuff of legends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blehschmidt Posted October 14, 2018 Report Share Posted October 14, 2018 23 minutes ago, SomethingSavage said: This Shawn Michaels unretirement angle is shaping up to be the stuff of legends. If this show does get cancelled, just wait until he headlines the first ever all female PPV, since we can't have all this build up for nothing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul sosnowski Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 John Oliver blasted them!!!! https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/live-feed/john-oliver-slams-wwe-saudi-arabia-pact-last-week-tonight-1152253 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 "You can't see those human rights abuse." Brillant. (watching those propaganda clips again should be enough for anyone to unsubscribe to the Network, really) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakeplastictrees Posted October 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 Its amazing that the WWE/Saudi relationship couldn't even make it a full calendar year before shit hit the fan. The wrestling bubble is only so big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 News And Guts 6 mins · BREAKING: CNN is reporting that Saudi Arabian officials will say that "rogue" interrogators killed journalist Jamal Khashoggi. And it looks like Donald Trump is prepared to take them at their word.BREAKING: CNN is reporting that Saudi Arabian officials will say that "rogue" interrogators killed journalist Jamal Khashoggi. And it looks like Donald Trump is prepared to take them at their word. https://www.newsandguts.com/report-saudis-preparing-admit-khashoggi-killed-interrogation-went-wrong/ So, the show will go on, WWE won't be affected, etc. Honestly, WWE isn't considered "important enough" and wouldn't have been affected by continuing the show no matter what the outcome was going to be. If Glenn Jacobs runs for re-election, the most that will happen to him is a few negative campaign ads from the opposing party that everyone will ignore anyway. Sad but true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMKK Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 2 hours ago, C.S. said: News And Guts 6 mins · BREAKING: CNN is reporting that Saudi Arabian officials will say that "rogue" interrogators killed journalist Jamal Khashoggi. And it looks like Donald Trump is prepared to take them at their word.BREAKING: CNN is reporting that Saudi Arabian officials will say that "rogue" interrogators killed journalist Jamal Khashoggi. And it looks like Donald Trump is prepared to take them at their word. https://www.newsandguts.com/report-saudis-preparing-admit-khashoggi-killed-interrogation-went-wrong/ So, the show will go on, WWE won't be affected, etc. Honestly, WWE isn't considered "important enough" and wouldn't have been affected by continuing the show no matter what the outcome was going to be. If Glenn Jacobs runs for re-election, the most that will happen to him is a few negative campaign ads from the opposing party that everyone will ignore anyway. Sad but true. It might get a bit more play because wrestling being involved makes for a nice absurdity in TV comedic punchlines but you're right. This'll all be swept under the carpet within a few weeks, like when the Saudi twitter implicitly threatened a 9/11 attack on Canada a few months back. Everything moves so quickly now that something that would have been a months long saga barely lasts for a weekly news cycle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 Well if the early part of this show is any indication, they are going with the strategy with promoting Crown Jewel just without telling people where it is going to be. As if WWE fans are so stupid they are turn it on and be stunned that they are in Saudi Arabia. I am just picturing a pool in the back for the first person to say Saudi Arabia in the next 3 weeks. My money is on Saxton While it is certainly not a big deal in the grand scheme, how funny is it that every person in this "World Cup" thing is American. Granted we have Rey vs Nakamura and Miz vs Russev so there is still a chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 So Crown Jewel has been heavily promoted tonight, but they've gone out of their way to avoid explicitly referencing S***i A****a, correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Boricua Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 I wouldn't be surprised if some form of the conversation from Eraser took place in WWE during this past week. "You don't get it. The money's already changed hands. These are not the kind of people you cancel on!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 They'll probably treat it like an episode of Raw in a city Vince doesn't think is big league enough to mention on the air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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