C.S. Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, FMKK said: Top people screams Seth to me. AEW victory in the bag! I actually do think NXT could pop a rating from this and edge out Dynamite and I'm really not looking forward to the crowing if that happens. @WWERollins: We invaded NXT with one goal in mind. To BURN! IT! DOWN! And we did that by being #1 in the ratings for Wednesday night and making more money than everyone else! @CMPunk was too afraid to show up. #Coward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War is Raw Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 4 hours ago, C.S. said: It was fine. No one should have been expecting a "Pipe Bomb" on week 1. I do think we got some quiet gems though. - Punk criticizing all the same things about the product that we have. - Punk asking Renee which member of The Shield was her favorite. - Punk owning his shitty MMA W-L record during the painful Arquette "Promo School" segment. - Renee mentioning Punk's "significant other" (exactly like that, because WWE's gonna WWE). - Punk saying that horrible Roman Reigns dog costume segment is making him re-think taking this job. - Punk to Seth: "Stop tweeting!" - Punk's promo on Tom Arnold, really meant for Seth after a "Freudian slip" at the end. Yeah, 95%+ of the fans in the reddit thread and my bud in real life said it was fine too. I listed those facts in my mind as well. I guess my problem is he tagged Vince and Kahn, which implied pipebomb, yet didn't even mention Khan vs Randy, or Saudi, or the lawsuits. The bigger issue is that it's still not SportsCenter- it's still an advertising arm of WWE, so no ACH or even AEW debates. So he may think he is "free" but he is helping WWE with this buzz. The Seth thing feels like a "coming out of retirement for WM" angle. As far as his "shooting", Booker T, Paige, and Christian did the same thing in previous episodes. They all crapped on Rusev-Lana, and Paige even called out Seth for being immature on Twitter. Booker buried him too. So not sure why Paige paused and acted uncomfortable when Punk teased them to agree with his "hot take". Also not sure why a "free" Rene has problems saying her husband's name. Seems like a step above Corey Graves' FOX podcasts or Austin's WWE podcast collabs. It's WWE being "edgy" but still feels like they have Stockholm Syndrome. Punk's rant about "wrestling" suffering from micromanagement and overproduction? It's not "wrestling", Phil, it's only WWE. It was a Freudian slip that he still thinks WWE is the only player in town. If you reduce it to "So what did Punk say to break the world??", the answer is...he shit on Baron Corbin's promo. Something that has been done on the show for Lana already. The Shield reference? Also made on a previous show. The Tom Arnold promo is just a segment that other have done on the show. That is my minority opinion. I get it everyone likes Punk again after last week. LOL!!! I concede that he did not storm off or act like a corporate zombie. So, yes, he did fine. I just have high expectations for Punk "shooting". But seriously, he had said this year he was over wrestling but now he is on a wrestling talk show, and guys are already challenging him on Twitter (Seth and Ricochet). And full disclosure, I am an AEW fan, and he chose a side, so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 A couple of things, @War is Raw: - No one in their right mind is actually mistaking WWE Backstage for SportsCenter or even an "independent" show. - Going to AEW would have been the more interesting, ballsy move for Punk to make, but he's 41 years old, beaten to shit, and has a wife at home, so I don't necessarily blame him for going where the money is. As a fan, it's a boring and disappointing choice, but I can understand why he made it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Log Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 Was anyone really expecting Punk to do anything "crazy"? As much as he gets branded as this "loose cannon" character who'll say whatever no matter the consequences, he's always worked within the lines of the company. The Pipe Bomb promo was approved and on television. It wasn't some shoot that snuck by HHH and Vince. Sure, Punk's looked out for his own interests even when it went against management, and that's awesome. But he never had a crazy, off-script moment while he was in WWE. Now he's back on their payroll (I know, technically Fox's payroll, but he wouldn't be there unless Vince was ok with it), so I wouldn't expect for him to go too far outside the lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert S Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 14 hours ago, ButchReedMark said: I'd rather do a decorating job on Josef Fritzl's cellar than watch him. Ah, all the good, famous people Austria gave the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 We'll see if I call an audible at game time, but as of now leaning towards watching NXT live for the first week since Dynamite launched. TUE/Revival, Cole/DIjak and angles ahead of a two big shows this weekend likely means Fenix/Nick Jackson and the latest from AEW will have to settle for DVR viewing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted November 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 Roman is the only guy from the main roster that would SHOCK the NXT system. Specially because of all the people involved in the Survivor Series match, he barely had anything to do with non-SD people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Wolfe Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 I think if they used the old Prime Time Wrestling talking head panel idea for Backstage it wouldn't be a bad idea, if they all want to moan at eachother. Use the Mr Perfect accepts the tag team match return angle for the inevitable CM Punk comeback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War is Raw Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 4 hours ago, C.S. said: A couple of things, @War is Raw: - No one in their right mind is actually mistaking WWE Backstage for SportsCenter or even an "independent" show. - Going to AEW would have been the more interesting, ballsy move for Punk to make, but he's 41 years old, beaten to shit, and has a wife at home, so I don't necessarily blame him for going where the money is. As a fan, it's a boring and disappointing choice, but I can understand why he made it. Unfortunately you'd be surprised how many times real people in real life have told me "it's not kayfabe", "it's a sports job for Rene", and "it covers real sports" (that boxing PPV advert). I don't blame Punk for following the money, but I do blame him for acting like money was not as issue (previous interviews on Youtube) and he is retired. The last point goes away if he wrestles for WWE next year after rejected Khan's light schedule. Heck, Kahn would have paid for him to Dynamite speaking or PPV pipebomb appearances only. Just saying...I'm not on Team Punk anymore. I followed him for years, felt for him, he acted like an artist who was against the system. Sold out to me, you know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War is Raw Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 3 hours ago, Log said: Was anyone really expecting Punk to do anything "crazy"? As much as he gets branded as this "loose cannon" character who'll say whatever no matter the consequences, he's always worked within the lines of the company. The Pipe Bomb promo was approved and on television. It wasn't some shoot that snuck by HHH and Vince. Sure, Punk's looked out for his own interests even when it went against management, and that's awesome. But he never had a crazy, off-script moment while he was in WWE. Now he's back on their payroll (I know, technically Fox's payroll, but he wouldn't be there unless Vince was ok with it), so I wouldn't expect for him to go too far outside the lines. The original podcast where he spoke the truth? The numerous interviews where he said WWE almost killed him and he hates how things are run there. The lawsuits? Still bitter about WWE not caring about his health. Still thinks WWE was behind it. Lost his friend. Tagged Khan who responded with Saudi. Not mentioned. Very easy to say what you said in hindsight. People tuned in hoping for something big, which will be shown in the ratings...sorry. Not sure why this is a debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alucard Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 lol @ "a lot of top people that people wouldn't expect" *Seth Rollins has been spotted in Orlando!* Outside of Brock/Rey, zero interest in the Survivor Series card and that's the only match with any real stakes or heat to it. 2016 was the last great Survivor Series where the RAW vs SD match was actually really awesome and then the Brock/Goldberg shocker closed the show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 Opening with Becky Lynch felt like a big deal. Rhea coming out was also an "oh shit" moment. That was pretty cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoS Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 Starting this show with arguably the biggest star/draw in the world (Becky's quarters are consistently amongst the highest rated and from what I have read, she sells a lot of merchandise) shows that WWE is absolutely not fucking around. The problem of course is that such angles inherently cannot be long-term, so I hope they use today's episode to massively put Riddle and Lee over, because those two rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 Becky Vs. Rhea, Revival showing up then Ricochet Vs. Riddle. Def. not fucking around tonight. And AEW opened hot with Fenix/Jackson but now they have Britt on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 NXT has kept my interest more tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 THIS SHOW IS INSANE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Log Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 2 hours ago, War is Raw said: The original podcast where he spoke the truth? The numerous interviews where he said WWE almost killed him and he hates how things are run there. The lawsuits? Still bitter about WWE not caring about his health. Still thinks WWE was behind it. Lost his friend. Tagged Khan who responded with Saudi. Not mentioned. Very easy to say what you said in hindsight. People tuned in hoping for something big, which will be shown in the ratings...sorry. Not sure why this is a debate. Other than the Kahn tweet, those were all done when he wasn’t working for WWE. When he works for them, he toes the line. Always has. Like I said, he may be employed by Fox, technically, but he works for WWE. Punk’s a smart dude. He knows when to do that stuff and when not to. They may draw a big rating on that first show, but will it keep interest? Who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 Keith Lee is my absolute favorite guy in NXT right now, and watching him and Ivar dive to the outside and pile on a bunch of dudes was incredible. Shame they had to ruin such a joyous moment by bringing out the Ratings Slayer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoS Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 I watched the overrun after Dynamite ended. I would have rather it ended with Lee and Rollins going blow to blow, but that was wild. NXT has some excellent guys on the roster. I can't wait to see Becky-Rhea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 Both shows were great, funny how they were able to book all three brands to look more or less to be on even footing, as opposed to on Raw where NXT guys get beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted November 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 Baseball cap Kairi facing Io is the content we strive for. Also, Ivar vs Lee vs Otis would be the biggest Wrestlemania main event ever. Hope we see a match between them soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 Thought this was amusing in light of our recent discussions about Lana's acting ability... Looks like she's in a real movie... It appears to be of the straight-to-video variety, but still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 Zelina responded by shitting on her acting. Guess they may be building to a Bob/Lana v Andrade/Zelina match Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMKK Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 hour ago, C.S. said: Thought this was amusing in light of our recent discussions about Lana's acting ability... Looks like she's in a real movie... It appears to be of the straight-to-video variety, but still. I meant to say during that original discussion that her filmography is actually pretty thin at least according to Wikipedia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 She's probably had more success as a choreographer honestly as she helped choreograph the Pitch Perfect films Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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