jdw Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 And the old board is gone. No doubt that some people like Hyatte loved it. It's possible that was also in the phase of the DVDVR where they loved Spotbu, as I recall Phil liked King of Indies a heck of a lot more than the rest of us, and hadn't gone all MOVES! by that point. I very much was in my grumpy phase at that point... I mean, I even hated Misawa-Kobashi MOTY Winners by then. So maybe there was a chunk of DVDVR fans who loved it as a Great Free TV Match. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Good to see that mentality of "That guy said he did not like something and listed reasons for it is not allowing me to like it." was alive in the long long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Persecution complex has been alive forever. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cox Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 From this week's Classic WON: Spellbinder had a television match this week against jobber Colorado Kid. Prentice came out and ordered the match stopped and told Kid he was impressed with how well he's wrestled. He told Kid, "I want you," which is actually pretty scary. Foreshadowing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLIK Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 That would be about as horrible as I remember it. There have to be some posters here who remember what folks on DVDVR thought of this. I can't imagine it was well liked there. DVDVR used to be huge pro Daniels place. Among other things, reading all his hype on the board thear and in the the video reviews & work rate reports is what first got me into the guy and other indy wrestling to begin with. Like other people have mentioned, he USED to be a guy who was well loved and he still is among some circles. I still like the guy a lot myself. Around here and DVDVR and such it's def more that people's taste have just changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 That would be about as horrible as I remember it. There have to be some posters here who remember what folks on DVDVR thought of this. I can't imagine it was well liked there. DVDVR used to be huge pro Daniels place. Among other things, reading all his hype on the board thear and in the the video reviews & work rate reports is what first got me into the guy and other indy wrestling to begin with. Like other people have mentioned, he USED to be a guy who was well loved and he still is among some circles. I still like the guy a lot myself. Around here and DVDVR and such it's def more that people's taste have just changed. Well, I should have taken a look at the DVDVR 500: Version 1.0 - November 1999 22 Michael Modest 34 Christopher Daniels Version 2.0 - May 2000 21 Michael Modest 33 Christopher Daniels Version 3.0 - November 2000 19 Christopher Daniels 31 Michael Modest This would be the period where they had the match: Version 4.0 - May 2001 1 Toshiaki Kawada 2 Chris Benoit 3 El Hijo del Santo 4 Yuji Nagata 5 Minoru Tanaka 6 Blue Panther 7 Shinya Hashimoto 8 Yuki Ishikawa 9 SUWA 10 Tiger Mask IV 11 Silver King 12 Alexander Otsuka 13 Jun Akiyama 14 Naohiro Hoshikawa 15 William Regal 16 Dick Togo 17 Carl Malenko 18 Michael Modest 19 Shinjiro Ohtani 20 Christopher Daniels 21 Mitsuharu Misawa 22 Kurt Angle 23 Jushin Lyger 24 Magnum Tokyo 25 Takuma Sano 26 Great Sasuke 27 Akira Taue 28 Daisuke Ikeda 29 Ikuto Hidaka 30 CIMA Um... that would get a Holy Shit out of me. Version 5.0 - November 2001 22 Christopher Daniels 24 Mike Modest That wuld be Chris after King of Indies. Version 6.0 - May 2002 30 Christopher Daniels 81 Mike Modest Version 7.0 - November 2002 52 Christopher Daniels (Curry Man) 94 Mike Modest Version 8.0 - May 2003 74 Christopher Daniels (Curry Man) 134 Mike Modest And that's sort of when the bloom was off the rose. Wow... at the time of the match, Daniels and Modest were two top 20 workers. Okay, he was Much Loved in DVDVR-land. I stand corrected. On the other hand, I'm pretty confident that there's no incriminating evidence that I liked Mr. My Turn, Your Turn when that match happened. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 For what's it worth, I thought the Styles/Daniels vs. LAX feud was the best thing TNA has ever done as a promotion and it was the last wrestling program I was willing to pay money to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Okay, he was Much Loved in DVDVR-land. I stand corrected. On the other hand, I'm pretty confident that there's no incriminating evidence that I liked Mr. My Turn, Your Turn when that match happened. John I learned how to watch wrestling sitting on the scaly, creepy online knees of the DVDVR. I remember this stuff... sort of. Movez, action, and stiffness meant a hell of a lot more than they do now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditch Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 For DVDVR 145 (not linked right now so it took FOREVER to find), Dean reviewed a Masato Tanaka vs Kuroda match, and griped about how spotty and overkill-y it was. Then he went back to a positive review of their '98 match and said "Sounds like I GREW and they didn't." Daniels is a perfect example of "didn't grow". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Schneider Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 It has been a long time since I thought about that stuff, but I know that all of the Daniels and Modest pimping had to do with Modests APW stuff and Daniels APW and ECWA work. I remember being disappointed with that Nitro match, mainly because it wasn't anything like what those guys were normally doing with each other. It is certainly possible I would hate the APW stuff if I went back and rewatched it, but the Nitro match isn't a good representation of what we liked about both guys. Dean and I talked a little about this on the recent Segunda Caida radio, indy wrestling before 97/98 was pretty terrible, you would go whole cards without seeing a single neat move, when guys like Ki and Daniels and Modest came around, they were such a huge breath of fresh air compared to the Tom Brandi heavy indy cards of a couple of years earlier. Indy wrestling sucks now for the completely opposite reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.L.L. Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 It's been a while now, but a few years back, in the midst of US indy wrestling actually being good, I went back and watched one of the Daniels/Modest APW matches and thought it actually held up. As I'm recalling, Daniels wasn't as cold and mechanical as he would become. There was a lot more charm to both guys. But it's been a while since then, and I may be remembering wrong. Still, thought it held up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 For what's it worth, I thought the Styles/Daniels vs. LAX feud was the best thing TNA has ever done as a promotion and it was the last wrestling program I was willing to pay money to see. Wasn't the best thing they've done, but I liked the matches a good bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blehschmidt Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 I find myself liking Daniels as a heel (Prophecy, not respecting the code of honor) but when he is a face, he just seems very homogenized and bland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 I do completely buy the APW stuff being a breath of fresh air. I don't think that people really liking their stuff (and even the Nitro match and what they were TRYING to do) at that time is illogical or doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 To me, Daniels has generally been at his best whenever he's out of his comfort zone. Throw him into a big clusterfuck of a bloody brawl, and he's not bad. Whenever he actually decides to show some fire, he's perfectly capable of it. The problem comes when he tries to go all highspotty and Match Of The Year (especially in singles, he's better in tags or multi-man) and ends up looking like Lance Storm's android doppelganger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricR Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 I was there live for most of the Modest/Daniels stuff, and there were a lot of neat things that carried over into their future matches, building upon each other. Stuff that people loved about ROH stuff 5 years later. Modest was my favorite wrestler in the world during this point, just because he was such a great live match worker and I got to see him live every 6 weeks. Daniels at the time was a good heel, very quick-witted. Modest could play baby or heel, and his heel stuff was great. I liked their matches against each other, but LOVED the match with them teaming against Westside Playaz 2000 (Robert Thompson and Boyce LeGrande). That might be a fun one to revisit. Remember it having great action, cool movez, crowd was molten, and had a great table spot that came out of nowhere. Modest got kinda tired of wrestling after being jerked around by WCW, then went to NOAH, got pressured by Misawa to open his own school, then that drained him physically and emotionally (running a school while going on every NOAH tour). Daniels just didn't change and things passed him by, the same way I enjoyed Jerry Lynn matches in 1999. What seemed neat then, doesn't seem as neat 12 years later, especially since their styles were not something timeless (like brawling). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smkelly Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Some news: (PWTorch) The specifics on Rey Mysterio's knee surgery Friday include repair to two major ligaments in his knee and bone spurs removed. Mysterio posted on Twitter Saturday night: "Pain comes & goes but coping through it! Had acl, pcl, & bone spurs removed! Never felt pain like this one! All good though thx to y'all!619"That doesn't sound good at all. Promoting his "Back from the Brink" speaking engagement held Friday in Greensboro, N.C., Hulk Hogan made some off-the-wall comments about TNA in an interview with the News & Record newspaper. Hogan claimed TNA "offers an alternative to the over-the-top theatrics" seen in WWE and claimed TNA is not focused on "skits and entertainment and backstage antics." Hogan said, “We’ve got a lot of young guys who are pushing hard. And we’re trying to take our own course of destiny and make wrestling matter again. We’re not really focused on skits and entertainment and backstage antics. We’re more focused on keeping the action as much as we can in the ring.” I think Hogan took Flair's momentary lapse of sanity as a personal challenge to up the ante. People will cry about this one: ROH Wrestling roster member Jay Briscoe had this to say regarding Hurricane Irene today: "To all da hoes, sluts, skanks, he-shes, she-hes and homos that be whorin it up on da eastcoast... this hurricanes for you." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 You have to love the meme that natural disasters are the fault of sinners. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Smart business strategy... sucking up to the new TV execs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 You have to love the meme that natural disasters are the fault of sinners. John Especially since Jay Briscoe is a paragon of virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Since the Briscoes were brought up. They have to be without a doubt, my least favorite tag team that gets massive hype on the internet. Jay and Mark are the embodiment to me of everything that is wrong with indy wrestling in the United States today. They lack flexibility, they can't keep it in their pants during a match, they don't sell well, etc. I've never seen the big deal with them even back to their CZW days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Agreed. I still vividly remember being at ringside for a Wildside tag team match between the Briscoes and the Lost Boys. They set up a "steel coffin" spot, the one where you line up a whole bunch of chairs and then two dudes jump onto them with a bulldog of the apron. Okay, no problem, that's easier than taking the bump straight to the floor and in wrestling kayfabe logic everything becomes more damaging and is multiplied when you stick some furniture in there. But after whoever took the bump, like thirty seconds later they were back on their feet and going for the next spot! I couldn't believe it. We were at the after-party that night, and only my timid nature kept me from demanding what the fuck they thought they were doing with that spot, while I smoked weed for the first time ever. Hey, there's a meme. How redneck are the Briscoes? So redneck that via osmosis, Jingus accepted some of their redneckitude and wasted years on drugs and rassling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Liska Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 I don't think Jay meant that comment seriously, he's never been against skanks and hoes and sluts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 So I've mentioned that I'm a fan of SAW (Showtime All-star Wrestling) which is a Tennessee indy run by Reno Riggins. Their champion was Phil Shatter (Gunner in TNA), and since they have a deal where SAW can use guys who sign with TNA but not on TV, they did an angle where Shatter dropped the belt and they ran a tournament. During the tournament they mentioned several times that Tommy Mercer (Crimson) was involved but they can't show his match because his contract with TNA prevents it. So on the show that aired August 8th they ran the finals, and your winner and new centerpiece of the promotion and TV show? Kid Kash. Guess who then made his return to the Impact Zone the next week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 I think my biggest problem with WWE is that I still look at them as the "top dog" as far as companies in the pro-wrestling industry are concerned. The wrestlers themselves, all look at reaching WWE as "the top", so to speak. I mean, they have worldwide exposure, a long-ass history, are a publicly traded company, etc. When people think of "wrestling" they think of Stone Cold, The Rock, Hulk Hogan...all WWE (or WWF if they're older fans). Much the same way people think of Tylenol for aspirin. Yet, despite WWE having the stigma of being the pinnacle of the business, everything about the show(s) say otherwise. You have rookie, green wrestlers splattered all over the show(s) (especially the women). You have people like The Great Khali or David Otunga receiving various titles. You have booking dictated by either vindictive natures or purely because of ego, instead of doing what is best for business. There's politics and petty "rules" running rampant. A "wellness policy" that is a complete joke. WWE needs a legitimate competitor, just to kick their shit into gear. However, more so than that, we, the fans, need an alternative, until WWE gives us something more than one C.M. Punk promo per show, or a Mark Henry .gif or sound byte. Maybe this could have been its own topic, but I feel like complaining about WWE is old hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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