Loss Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 Undertaker's Dead Ref outfit would also probably be pretty funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 So...did HHH officially announce the end of brand extension during his opening promo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Didn't hear that. Did see that he hotshotted himself against Punk. Â John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smkelly Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Us cynical "anti-WWE" guys fucking called it. Â And yeah, it seems like the roster split was reconnected tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollinger. Posted August 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 And from the way it actually went down, what are you "cynical anti-WWE guys" going to claim when Punk goes over? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollinger. Posted August 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 From Insider  WWE officials made the decision some time in the past week or so that Kevin Nash won't be wrestling for them. It's likely Nash will stick around for the time being and participate in the occasional angle but unless something changes, he won't be having a match. This is why CM Punk vs. Kevin Nash at Night of Champions was changed to Punk vs. Triple H. WWE knew going into RAW last night that Nash wouldn't be wrestling.  Nash recently went to Pittsburgh to do physicals for the company and something happened there that made them decide that they don't want Nash in the ring taking bumps and doing something as physical as a whole match. There is still some chance that Nash could end up wrestling but something happened after the physicals that have put a roadblock in front of Nash's return match.  The decision to put Triple H in the match with Punk wasn't made until yesterday. The original plans had Punk going over Nash at Night of Champions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 And from the way it actually went down, what are you "cynical anti-WWE guys" going to claim when Punk goes over? Shouldn't Punk go over the "boss"? Â John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Log Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Why the hell did they even announce the Nash match then? Do some kind of angle or something to get him out of it. Instead, they just do a random thing at the end of the show? They didn't even pull that off right. They had Cena's music way too loud, and you could barely hear what Punk and HHH were saying. The whole thing was just very, very poorly done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 And from the way it actually went down, what are you "cynical anti-WWE guys" going to claim when Punk goes over? It depends how it's done. Triple H knows full well how to work a match where he doesn't really put his opponent over despite doing the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 I don't like this at all. Way, way too soon to do the match with HHH. At least with Nash they could have turned it into an Attitude era style backstage brawl/angle more than an actual match. As long as it was done well fans wouldn't feel ripped off, and it would probably come off better than a straight match. They could have even stuck Punk into the Cena-Del Rio match. Â I can't believe they were dumb enough to get this far along into the angle and not have a green light on Nash. They should have known before SummerSlam. This is WCW/TNA level stupidity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollinger. Posted August 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 I'll wait and see how it plays out before I make that kind of judgment. My gut instinct was to not like it, but I'm not going to say it's stupid before I see where it goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 It's pretty ridiculous (though not at all surprising) that they've taken a super hot program that could have carried them right through to Wrestlemania and pretty much hot shotted it in that you can't see the conclusion coming any later than Survivor Series. They are blowing the marquee match with just a couple of weeks notice on a completely minor PPV, and you have to assume the logical end to all this is HHH going over Punk at Hell in the Cell, given that it's his 'signature match' and all. Â Really, they should have taken Punk off TV longer, but even then the program wasn't a disaster through Summerslam whereas ever since it has lost steam considerably. They could have done the Nash feud even with some sort of non-match at the next event (or morphed it into a handicap/tag match where Punk is searching for a partner all night, even bringing Cabana back for a one shot though that's more than a little fanciful), and then done some kind of multi-man match at Survivor Series, a final Punk/Cena at the final event of the year, a Rumble storyline that writes itself then a feud finally with Triple-H leading to the big match at Wrestlemania to co-headline with Rock/Cena, Undertaker v ? and the World Title match/matches, depending on whether they plan to merge them. Stacked card with a long build. Â It's even more bizarre in an era where they don't mind having Christian and Randy Orton having a feud lasting six months, yet once they stumble onto something that is over, entertaining and fresh, it's veering quickly ahead to the end in just a couple of months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 I wonder what fun summer angle they screw up next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJH Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Raw was all kinds of shit last night. Â Ziggler/Orton was fine, with a good second half, but whilst they made Ziggler look good in losing, who's to say (especially since he's going to be feuding with Swagger it seems) it's going to mean anything down the line. Â The opening interview was bad on all counts. Punk came off really annoying and sophmoric. Nash was just bad. And then when Hunter leaves, these two guys who hate each other, with Hunter having to restrain Nash, they just stand there looking at one another. It must've looked even worse to the live crowd what with Orton coming out and then both guys just quietly leaving? Seriously, WTF. Â Mark Henry shouldn't be backing down from the fight. How hard would it have been to have the faces duck a double clothesline, and bump him to the floor with a double shoulder block or something? Or better still have them duck but Christian grabs Cena's feet from the floor and Henry bump Sheamus again to give them more heat... Â The "big announcement" was, as mentioned, poorly-mic'd, and wasn't even shown to the live crowd to pop (?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Last night to me, felt like the first time C.M. Punk was using someone elses material. It just felt like the same old tired shit that John Cena does (which he did himself later too, can't resist those bad breath jokes!) Â I know that Punk is really good. I know that he's a "smark darling" (for the last of a better phrase). But as a top babyface, how long until internet fans turn on him? When the WWE machine is behind a wrestler and basically saying "OK, cheer this guy." It makes it seem less "cool" and it sours some fans. Not just that, but how many different ways can Punk say "by the way, STEPHANIE MCMAHON~!" until people stop giving a fuck? Throw in the fake throwing up and it's heading off a cliff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 I wonder what fun summer angle they screw up next year. "Rack him." -Jim Rome  John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 So did Trip kill off the brand extension? Â John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 No, WWE Creative are too incompetent to book without the brand extension, according to Dave Meltzer. So they need that structure still in place for booking house shows in advance, even though the top guys will now appear on both shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditch Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 edit: Wrong thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Evans Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 So the new stip for the Punk/HHH match now is HHH's COO spot is on the line. This angle has really started to suck the past couple of weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 So...anybody still want to defend this turkey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCampbell Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 COO HHH means no more of the mysterious RAW GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Slickster Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 Calling it now: Nash runs in and costs Triple H his job, which leads to Mr. McMahon's return with John Laurinaitis as his toady. Then, Kevin Nash forms a new NWO stable with The Miz and R-Truth and they feud with CM Punk/Triple H/John Cena into 2012. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 The HHH/Punk segments Monday and Tuesday were awful. They made me hate wrestling and Punk in particular. Between those and the Impact taping I'm convinced talking is killing wrestling. They need to restructure the shows to have fifteen minutes of talking combined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 COO HHH means no more of the mysterious RAW GM. But that's kind of a problem too. Yes, the anonymous GM was dumb as hell, but if you're going to run a storyline for over a year, you might as well have it lead to something. For that matter, why does Teddy Long get to keep his job? It's yet another example of those who try to follow closely being punished by having their intelligence insulted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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