Matt D Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 I'm going to assume you're coming at this from an honest place. That said, I still don't entirely think it's worth my time. It also feels a little like piling on here when I'm trying to disengage. But you're pressing, so, in short, I frankly think that rovert is symbolic of a lot of the worst things the internet wrestling community has to offer, at least the part that I interact with. He's someone who's shown a real lack of perspective, that's been so far up his own ass when it comes to his point of views which are really polarized off to one side. He's shown a grating nationalism, a borderline creepy obsession with the wrestlers he really cares about, the absolute flaunting of the insider information (which, when false, as has happened, is then disgarded as 'something changed.'), a mentality that if a majority of the rest of the internet community (whatever that is anymore, mainly Meltzerian thought, I guess) thinks something and someone doesn't, then that person has a real problem, and he feels a lot like a relic of a bygone age that cares much more about talking about talking about talking about wrestling than actually talking about wrestling. There's a general sense of gloat-y-ness in a lot of his posts. Maybe some of it is just me and I'm reading one or two things into it, but probably not all fifteen or whatever. Frankly, he doesn't come off as an actual, well rounded human being to me, more a parody of one. I believe he's earnest because there's a certain amount of enthusiasm to him and an unflinching consistency to his posts, but if someone could create a troll persona nearly as grating and effectively obtuse as rovert on purpose, I would be HUGELY impressed. There's a reason why the guy's been banned multiple places. I didn't hound him. I responded to blatantly and frustratingly irritating or insulting things he said in places I happened to be. And after a certain point I stopped and I just tried to focus on my own stuff. I wasn't involved in him getting banned from DVDVR. I was ignoring the guy by that point. I'm not on twitter so I wasn't involved with this one either. So there you go. Hopefully this answered your well-meaning question to satisfaction. I'm really going to go watch some Baba or something now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jushin muta liger Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 I don't think Rovert warranted to a ban too but I don't make the rules and if he was warned numerous times then it's hard to argue. I read the link that Charles posted about the evidence of Rovert generalizing the board and it the post where he replied to me in the Dave thread about the Mark Henry/Big Show match. I got the feeling that he was trying to defend himself and Dave in the thread because the pile on effect does happen when you have a disagreement about certain workers. (I've seen it with Joe from VOW and others vs the rest of the board on some cases). And I replied to him saying that I probably have similar tastes in wrestling as he does but you have to accept that other people like different things and move on. Hell, Will said he should ban me for not liking Battlarts and someone said before that Bix liking Kane was a ban worthy offense but that's not going to happen cause wrestling is subjective. This with Rovert wasn't really the case though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 I don't think Rovert warranted to a ban too but I don't make the rules and if he was warned numerous times then it's hard to argue. I read the link that Charles posted about the evidence of Rovert generalizing the board and it the post where he replied to me in the Dave thread about the Mark Henry/Big Show match. I got the feeling that he was trying to defend himself and Dave in the thread because the pile on effect does happen when you have a disagreement about certain workers. (I've seen it with Joe from VOW and others vs the rest of the board on some cases). And I replied to him saying that I probably have similar tastes in wrestling as he does but you have to accept that other people like different things and move on. Hell, Will said he should ban me for not liking Battlarts and someone said before that Bix liking Kane was a ban worthy offense but that's not going to happen cause wrestling is subjective. This with Rovert wasn't really the case though. That's the thing about this place, you can have any opinion you want, just back it up. If you think Kane is great, that is fine, just explain why and make a case. People attack this board, because they have an opinion that is unpopular here and get mad when others don't have that opinion. Often times they don't try to back it up or see another side, they are just mad that people don't agree with Meltzer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkdoc Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 a borderline creepy obsession with the wrestlers he really cares about yeah this is what stood out the most to me by far, and i haven't been around rovert nearly as long as the rest of yall. the way he talks about some of the women in wrestling gives me some nasty vibes, having dealt with creepers/stalkers in the past. oh also he loves to randomly butt into my twitter conversations with IRL friends who follow wrestling but not nearly on the level of this board. usually happens when someone dares to criticize Jesus H. Meltzer. annoying as all hell and leaves them wondering WTF is going on. i don't really see what rovert adds here, considering he never seems to try and defend a viewpoint. even joe will sometimes do that in between the name-calling! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Polite request to lock this thread. 1. Whoever wanted to register their disapproval of the banning has done so. 2. It's not fair to bash someone who now has no right of reply. 3. This sort of drama detracts from the core business of the forum which is discussing wrestling. I don't care about this whole thing at all by the way, one way or the other, but I do object to this thread continuing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concrete1992 Posted November 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Polite request to lock this thread. 1. Whoever wanted to register their disapproval of the banning has done so. 2. It's not fair to bash someone who now has no right of reply. 3. This sort of drama detracts from the core business of the forum which is discussing wrestling. I don't care about this whole thing at all by the way, one way or the other, but I do object to this thread continuing. Seconded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 I object to your objection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheapshot Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 So before this thread is locked, is that it? Rovert is gone, end of discussion? If so, I begrudgingly accept the decision of the mods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 I already posted this twice. I will do so again... Sometimes it is best if people part ways. He won't be reinstated. We aren't going to publicly shit on him. We are going to move on. Hopefully we have enough here for people to stick around with the Microscope, GWE project, yearbook project, fantasy booking, historical research, etc. If one missing person is going to stain your thoughts on the entire board, that would be unfortunate... but we are going to continue as before minus one member. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 If people find Rovert interesting to read he has his twitter . You can also read what he has to say on other boards that he hasn't been banned on. You can still get your Rovert fix if you're inclined to do so. Just not here or other places he has been banned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Last time I closed a thread about a contentious topic, I got quite a bit of flak for it. I don't want to do that again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concrete1992 Posted November 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 See, I feel there is quite a bit of difference between opening the floor and closing versus "Welp, this should be closed probably" without anything to it outside the topic being confrontational. Feel the decision has been made and there is no "reinstating rovert" that will happen. That is what this was all about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BohsJohnny Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 a borderline creepy obsession with the wrestlers he really cares about yeah this is what stood out the most to me by far, and i haven't been around rovert nearly as long as the rest of yall. the way he talks about some of the women in wrestling gives me some nasty vibes, having dealt with creepers/stalkers in the past. I know Rovert can rub people the wrong as this thread clearly shows but these are some pretty horrible accusations to throw at him for all his faults to say he gives off a creepers/stalkers vibe is a pretty damn harsh thing to say about someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlittlekitten Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 I'll kind of miss him. Shine on you mad creepy diamond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 I agree that since rovert is not here to defend himself, I don't want to use this thread to attack him. I'm here to defend myself if someone disagrees with me, but rovert can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan4L Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Sorry lads, but this is the dumbest shit I've ever seen. He was havin' a fucking laugh on twitter - no need to be so sensitive about it. Bring him back, and get over it. If ye are gonna be this narky a message board, then I think it'll be adios from me - and I hate to say that because I really wanted to participate in the GWE project next year. Please don't view that as me "taking a stand" or anything like that because the last thing I'm gonna take a stand over is a message board row. It's just I'd rather not spend my time at a place that can be so sensitive. Fuck sake, I'd feel like I'd have to walk around on my tippy toes in ballet shoes so as to not bother someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Not to be harsh, but if that's how you feel, go. This was not about a single tweet by the way, and no one was "hurt" by it. He was caught being disingenuous for the umpteenth time and we'd had enough of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvenStevenBooking Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Why is one guy getting banned causing such a fuss? I'm aware that Alan4L is a friend/acquaintance/whatever he wants to call him of rovert's, but I cannot figure out for the life of me why other people are so keen on getting him back. Cheapshot grilling Matt D was cringeworthy. It's the Internet, guys. Go outside and get some fresh air if something so trivial is getting you the least bit worked up. If I ever get banned here, I hope I'm memorable enough to get a multiple page thread bashing me. Who's bashing rovert? Aside from a few posts calling him creepy, I think it's been a fairly civil discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 If I ever get banned here, I hope I'm memorable enough to get a multiple page thread bashing me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 For fucks sake... how many times do we have to repeat... this was not about one fucking tweet. We discussed banning him in October. We discussed banning him 2 weeks ago. If we are spending that much time discussing the banning of one poster then it was time for him to go. The timing may be the only questionable thing here and that is unfortunate but the overall reason for the banning has merit including the fact most of the mod staff thought he was a troll anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Alan, why didn't you forfeit your board at F4W the times rovert was banned there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptCabana Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 If people find Rovert interesting to read he has his twitter . You can also read what he has to say on other boards that he hasn't been banned on. You can still get your Rovert fix if you're inclined to do so. Just not here or other places he has been banned. I have no dog in this fight but the phrase "other places he has been banned" is quite telling. If you're banned from multiple places, in ANY aspect of your life, you're going about SOMETHING the wrong way. Just my two cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cross Face Chicken Wing Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 The mods should not hesitate to use the ban button liberally. This is one of the few places on the web where wrestling can be discussed without all the usual nonsense that comes with the typical wrestling message board. If the mods feel that atmosphere is threatened by an individual poster, that poster should be banned. I've been hanging around this board for almost 6 years. Loss and goodhelmet are credible mods. They wouldn't waste their time creating this little slice of an online wrestling universe just to throw their weight around and ban people for no logical reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiva Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 I don't read through this kind of thing enough to know the dude in depth but these sorts of threads are often exactly what the banned parties want, i.e. attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawho5 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 I'm thirding the vote to close this thread. If it's done and there's no more to do about it, it seems like a day and a half to argue about whether or not it should have happened is more than enough. Charles has a book to write, the rest of us have wrestling to watch and discuss. On a side note, I honestly don't think you have to worry Alan. Seems you get plenty of respect around here despite your different opinions on wrestling than most. My feeling is that's because you have your reasons and are very willing to share them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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