Loss Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 I moved all the talk about Vince and his decline to the Pro Wrestling folder. Let's keep this topic on Punk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Ryback responds in words For the record if I quit for being fragile and insecure I would make up excuses too. Things didn’t go my way for a long time and I kept going day in and out. Slander is a powerful thing and to state complete made up nonsense for no reason shows his insecurities. I will continue to bust my ass study matches every chance I get, cut promos when driving and push myself for hours on end even when hurt. Thank you” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradhindsight Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 I found myself rolling my eyes when he spoke of the sponsored ring gear deal. Sure, it would have resulted in more money for guys: but I never want to see the day when costumes become advertising space. We all know the story with Brock so comparisons shouldn't be made. He contradicted himself here as he noted Brock's WWE deal was negotiated with the understanding Brock already had those endorsement contracts in place. The WWE's hands were tied there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Also, he would have looked really dumb in fight shorts, to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 He wore them in Ring of Honor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shining Wiz Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 I found myself rolling my eyes when he spoke of the sponsored ring gear deal. Sure, it would have resulted in more money for guys: but I never want to see the day when costumes become advertising space. We all know the story with Brock so comparisons shouldn't be made. He contradicted himself here as he noted Brock's WWE deal was negotiated with the understanding Brock already had those endorsement contracts in place. The WWE's hands were tied there. Only because Brock tied them. They weren't forced by the sponsors to let their logos be shown. Brock was just in a good enough position to say he wears the logos, WWE pays out the contract or he doesn't wrestle for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 He wore them in Ring of Honor. Yeah, I thought the same of them then. Would have looked even worse in current WWE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fando Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Calling out Hunter on the piss test. That's great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillThompson Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 For the record if I quit for being fragile and insecure I would make up excuses too. Things didn't go my way for a long time and I kept going day in and out. Slander is a powerful thing and to state complete made up nonsense for no reason shows his insecurities. I will continue to bust my ass study matches every chance I get, cut promos when driving and push myself for hours on end even when hurt. Thank you. Remember when Lance Cade blasted Bobby Lashley on WWE.com for taking time off for shoulder surgery? Remember which one is still alive? I think people are misreading the fragile comment. I took it as a reference to Punk's ego, not his physical being. In that respect he's not wrong, because even the most die hard Punk fan shouldn't be able to deny that he has a very fragile ego. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Regarding the sponsored ring gear idea, it would never have been a big money spinner for the boys, because WWE, like UFC, would have asked for a huge cut of the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Geno Mrosko of Cageside Seats typed out a full transcript of the interview. I know I'm in the minority, but I much prefer text over audio. For one thing, it's a lot quicker to get through. http://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2014/11/28/7301549/cm-punk-tell-all-interview-with-colt-cabana-transcribed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbo Slice Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Great resource, but I really hope people actually take the time to listen to it. It's 2 hours, sure, but you get a lot more out of listening to it than the transcription will give you. Well worth the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadMick Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 I take it Colt Cabana has blackballed himself out of any involvement with WWE going forward? And no more WWE guys on Art of Wrestling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 I take it Colt Cabana has blackballed himself out of any involvement with WWE going forward? And no more WWE guys on Art of Wrestling? What did Colt do wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 He gave Punk a forum for thrashing the company. Doesn't seem like someone they'd be keen on supporting going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shining Wiz Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 They didn't seem overlly keen beforehand, so I don't imagine he's missed out on much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantastic Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Awesome podcast, good hosting by Cabana too. I don't think anybody else at this juncture would be capable of having a decent straight up interview about the subject of Punk leaving with the man himself, without offending Punk or taking it too far. Cabana, being close friends with Punk was the ideal person to conduct such an interview. That being said, here are my takeaways from it: - WWE's schedule, expectations, and physicality are unforgiving unless you are an "enhanced" talent with superior recovery abilities. Punk got pretty fucked up with injuries, and was rushing his way back into the ring at the behest of Vince and others. His lifestyle means he abstains from most prescription drugs, outside of antibiotics and anaesthetics. We've seen pictures of him rehabbing with stuff like acupuncture in the past! - Ryback is a dangerous worker, who doesn't seem to learn from errors. - Triple H doesn't like Punk and probably resented Punk's open line to Vince, and that he would go directly to Vince and speak his mind, vetoing Triple H and Stephanie in the chain of command (if you like). Punk, like everybody else, feels that the loss to Triple H at Night of Champions 2011 destroyed his momentum. - Punk has made more than enough money to never have to work or worry about anything again. Consider this, and then realize that the likes of John Cena and Triple H are far wealthier, have nothing else to achieve legacy wise, yet continue to wrestle - full time in Cena's case. It seems Triple H only went part time for the sake of his kids. It's definitely not about the money in WWE. - One of WWE's physicians is apparently incompetent. This isn't news, they've already had scandals with the physicians in the past. - Most of his dissatisfaction with booking issues seems to stem from the fact he busted his ass, but was denied the Wrestlemania main event on two occasions (XXIX and XXX - Rock/Cena was a lock for nearly a year, before Punk broke out). - Punk claims to be done with wrestling, this probably won't last, it isn't about money, most guys simply struggle to walk away from their craft (wrestling, in this case) and make an inevitable return at some point. TNA will probably never be able to afford Punk's price tag, and the exposure is meaningless for him, they have everything to gain basically, whilst he has nohting, I could see him perhaps wrestling for NJPW in some capacity (a'la Lesnar in 2005-2007). I can accept the possibility of him never working with WWE again though. - I get the impression he'd be inclined to work a big drawing exhibition MMA match as a one-off in the near future, as it's one of his passions outside of wrestling and it's really now or never to pursue it, given his age and battering he received from the road in WWE. - Long term, he's probably going to fall into reality TV, acting, comedy, etc, if he doesn't return to wrestling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Colt's had people speak negatively of WWE before on his show, only difference here is that the guest has a higher profile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Childs Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Awesome podcast, good hosting by Cabana too. I don't think anybody else at this juncture would be capable of having a decent straight up interview about the subject of Punk leaving with the man himself, without offending Punk or taking it too far. Cabana, being close friends with Punk was the ideal person to conduct such an interview. That being said, here are my takeaways from it. Actually, my only complaint about the whole thing was that Cabana didn't do a little more to keep him focused. I like Cabana a lot and agree that no one else could have scored the interview at this point. So more power to him. I just thought the whole thing could've had even more punch if he'd interjected with a few guiding questions. I listened to Maron's older interview with Punk after listening to Cabana, and he did an excellent job of that. Different kind of interview with a different audience, obviously, but I'm fascinated with interviewing as a skill, so ... OK, I'll stop rambling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidebottom Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 I don't know, I think the unfocused points where Punk would steer off into different directions was OK as it didn't feel as though he was leaving important details out anywhere. It really was like he had been holding his breathe all that time and he frantically needed to get things off his chest. I've listened to it twice now, and Colt really does just sit back on this: which was the right thing to do I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvenStevenBooking Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Colt didn't really play any factor at all in this, positively or negatively. It was essentially Cabana presents the CM Punk Show. For the record if I quit for being fragile and insecure I would make up excuses too. Things didn't go my way for a long time and I kept going day in and out. Slander is a powerful thing and to state complete made up nonsense for no reason shows his insecurities. I will continue to bust my ass study matches every chance I get, cut promos when driving and push myself for hours on end even when hurt. Thank you. Remember when Lance Cade blasted Bobby Lashley on WWE.com for taking time off for shoulder surgery? Remember which one is still alive? I think people are misreading the fragile comment. I took it as a reference to Punk's ego, not his physical being. In that respect he's not wrong, because even the most die hard Punk fan shouldn't be able to deny that he has a very fragile ego. He said he'll push himself hours on end even when hurt. I just don't think he should be so gung-ho about such things considering he may be in Punk's situation one day except without the millions to fall back on. Taking time off shouldn't be something talent fears or disparages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted November 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 A good question for the follow-up... "Do you think the comments you made in this shoot interview will have a negative impact on your wife's career since she is still employed by WWE?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 One question I have that he might not know the answer to is how Meltzer ended up being so positive he was returning to that Raw in Chicago after he quit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Because That story was leaked to a a Meltzer source to see if that source was a leaker. And he was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Yeah, I'm a moron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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