Ricky Jackson Posted July 10, 2016 Report Posted July 10, 2016 I'm watching this at a friend's place. First UFC I've seen in 4 years. Lesnar winning and then an RKO out of nowhere is how I'd book it Quote
WingedEagle Posted July 10, 2016 Report Posted July 10, 2016 Very much watching. Always have a couple friends over big shows and this lineup is stacked. Everything on the main show is arguably a semi-main on most shows. Totally stoked for this show. Quote
shoe Posted July 10, 2016 Report Posted July 10, 2016 I'm at a bar. Got here at 630 to get a table. It's standing room right now. Quote
WingedEagle Posted July 10, 2016 Report Posted July 10, 2016 Aldo is a one ridiculous fighter. But that fight very quickly became a bathroom break / go say hi to the wife opportunity. Quote
Ricky Jackson Posted July 10, 2016 Author Report Posted July 10, 2016 Wooooo pro wrestling woooooo Quote
Superstar Sleeze Posted July 10, 2016 Report Posted July 10, 2016 PRO WRESTLING >>> MMA! PRO WRESTLING FOREVER!!! Quote
...TG Posted July 10, 2016 Report Posted July 10, 2016 Man. Pretty much thought Brock was going to get smoked by Hunt. Especially in round 2, he looked gassed. Brock is one of the most remarkable athletes ever. Quote
Parties Posted July 10, 2016 Report Posted July 10, 2016 While not having him in a title match at Summerslam now looks dumb, you can still have him beat Orton and do a Brock title program against whichever Shield guy has the belt, which would actually bring welcome heat to the usual sluggish "off-season" months of Sept-Dec. Brock winning or defending the title in the cage at Hell in a Cell (esp. against Reigns) would be pretty compelling right now. Quote
WingedEagle Posted July 10, 2016 Report Posted July 10, 2016 Still don't get the upside to announcing an Orton match prior to this fight. Depending on the outcome, perhaps its a matchup with booking possibilities that make sense thic oming Monday or Thursday. But prior to tonight? I'm an unabashed Brock mark and still looking forward to the match because its Brock and his matches are always fun. But this one feels ridiculously cold from the jump and I'm not sure how you heat it up as a program, even if they bring in Brock as an even bigger attraction following tonight. Quote
Microstatistics Posted July 10, 2016 Report Posted July 10, 2016 Glad he won, especially with WWE promoting the event as well. It would have been weird for him to get KO'ed within seconds and then return with everyone having to pretend nothing happened. It would have hurt his aura/image and he is by far the most compelling wrestler they have. Quote
fxnj Posted July 10, 2016 Report Posted July 10, 2016 While not having him in a title match at Summerslam now looks dumb, you can still have him beat Orton and do a Brock title program against whichever Shield guy has the belt, which would actually bring welcome heat to the usual sluggish "off-season" months of Sept-Dec. Brock winning or defending the title in the cage at Hell in a Cell (esp. against Reigns) would be pretty compelling right now.Dunno, based on the post-fight press conference keeping him out of the title scene seems like a good idea for now given that there looks like to be a good chance of him wanting to fight again and trying to restart his MMA career. Quote
Gutenberger Posted July 10, 2016 Report Posted July 10, 2016 Lesnar should've come to the ring with cigarette, beer and a Caine, if he's chosen that music... Quote
WingedEagle Posted July 10, 2016 Report Posted July 10, 2016 While not having him in a title match at Summerslam now looks dumb, you can still have him beat Orton and do a Brock title program against whichever Shield guy has the belt, which would actually bring welcome heat to the usual sluggish "off-season" months of Sept-Dec. Brock winning or defending the title in the cage at Hell in a Cell (esp. against Reigns) would be pretty compelling right now.Dunno, based on the post-fight press conference keeping him out of the title scene seems like a good idea for now given that there looks like to be a good chance of him wanting to fight again and trying to restart his MMA career. He can want whatever he wants, but he's not fighting in UFC without Vince's approval for a couple more years. Quote
Zoo Enthusiast Posted July 10, 2016 Report Posted July 10, 2016 Other than Silva/Cormier, this was an enjoyable show. Quote
Parties Posted July 10, 2016 Report Posted July 10, 2016 While not having him in a title match at Summerslam now looks dumb, you can still have him beat Orton and do a Brock title program against whichever Shield guy has the belt, which would actually bring welcome heat to the usual sluggish "off-season" months of Sept-Dec. Brock winning or defending the title in the cage at Hell in a Cell (esp. against Reigns) would be pretty compelling right now.Dunno, based on the post-fight press conference keeping him out of the title scene seems like a good idea for now given that there looks like to be a good chance of him wanting to fight again and trying to restart his MMA career. My thinking on this is pretty much: Your champion should be your biggest star whenever possible, and as of right now he's your biggest star. He has more main event cache than anyone else right now, meaning Brock vs. almost anyone feels worthy of headlining a PPV, which you can't say about anyone else (including Cena). With the exception of Cena (and Rock if he counts), he's the only guy they have who the media cares about. Ditto key partners (2K, ESPN, toy companies, adverisers, etc.) The "legitimacy/"he wins real fights" factors of UFC means way more to casuals than diehard wrestling fans often realize. (The counterargument to this being the failed pro wres careers of Severn, Shamrock, Rampage, etc, but none of those guys had the name that Brock has established or Brock's status on the card within pro wrestling.) I'm someone who thinks having a world champ who rarely appears is a good thing, esp. if you have two world titles and three secondary men's titles over two separate brands. The false idea that fans will think, "The RAW world title's only being defended 3 times in nine months? What a rip off!" helped cause the oversaturation we're in now. One Brock promo is worth twenty from anyone else. There's true novelty and potential in Brock being both a UFC and WWE champ simultaneously (even if you think his chances of beating Stipe, Overeem, or Cain are low). If Vince and co. are going to constantly bemoan the company's lack of credibility in the media, then they should do a better job of seizing the opportunities when they come, esp. during down periods of stagnant inadequacy. You can't say "No one takes us seriously! Our ratings are great!" and then get cold feet when big opportunities fall out of the sky. I know Dylan and others have suggested that the idea of Lesnar as a box office draw is a fallacy and that he hasn't actually moved the needle in terms of money/sales/buys, but WWE so actively works against any one talent being a draw that I don't fault him for that. I have to assume he moves merch, and he brings so many other strong marketing positives that I don't think "JYD sold out the Superdome" thinking is really applicable here. Quote
ragemaster Posted July 11, 2016 Report Posted July 11, 2016 I don't know why you don't make Brock the champ of both brands rather than having two belts. Have him make the title mean something and only defend it four times a year like a UFC or boxing belt. Make the Ic and us titles the focus of each show for the monthly ppv and then when the world title is defended, it will mean more on the big shows. Also have the woman's belt on one show and the tag belts on the other show. Quote
Matt D Posted July 11, 2016 Report Posted July 11, 2016 Now we're not going to get the Miz/Lesnar tag team I wanted. I hate MMA so much. Quote
Loss Posted July 11, 2016 Report Posted July 11, 2016 Brock is so strong that he ceases to be valuable for WWE. Number of interesting matches for him that are on the table where the outcome may possibly be in doubt: zero. Quote
GOTNW Posted July 11, 2016 Report Posted July 11, 2016 The problem with Brock is that we have the evidence to know he would be an amazing vulnerable monster in his 2002/2003 run and the pre-Suplex spamming return matches. He is just dreadfully boring as an unbeatable character. You can make squashing someone compelling but Lesnar is no Hashimoto or even Goldberg in that regard. Quote
El-P Posted July 11, 2016 Report Posted July 11, 2016 What killed Brock to me was when the whole "Suplex City" became a marketing argument and his matches became basically a bunch of suplexes for the audience to count along. Like everything, when something organic turns into a gimmick, it usually turns into crap. Quote
Grimmas Posted July 11, 2016 Report Posted July 11, 2016 He was doing really well, until he decided to do UFC again. Quote
goodhelmet Posted July 11, 2016 Report Posted July 11, 2016 I think him winning his fight against Mark Hunt makes him 100 times more interesting. Quote
Dylan Waco Posted July 11, 2016 Report Posted July 11, 2016 I really hope they continue to subordinate all talent to him and put the belt on him because it is probably the push I need to go from "guy who watches Raw most weeks, but generally dislikes it" to "guy who doesn't watch Raw and pirates WWE content when it looks appealing to him." Quote
raul Posted July 11, 2016 Report Posted July 11, 2016 I think him winning his fight against Mark Hunt makes him 100 times more interesting. absolutely. would not be surprised if he ends up walking into mania as a world champ. Quote
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