Robert S Posted March 17, 2021 Report Share Posted March 17, 2021 18 hours ago, sek69 said: It seems clearer by the day that Pat Patterson was the only person who was ever able to translate Vince's wants/needs/quirks into a consistently watchable and entertaining product. It really seems like anyone else just managed to get lucky occasionally. Either that, or Patterson was the only one who was able to play the "yes, and"-game with Vince. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dav'oh Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 Why late March/early April for WrestleMania? Was March 31, 1985, just how the chips fell, storyline- and behind the scenes-wise, for the first one? Or was that time of year traditionally an "up" time, and Vince and co. planned a long way out to run it at that time of year? Do public or school holidays, other sports starting/ending, what other promoters were up to, etc, play into things? It's not that I think there's anything wrong with early Northern Spring or nuffink, just wondering if it was, not random, but planned or circumstantial? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 Could be it fell in between the Super Bowl and the NBA/NHL playoffs/start of the MLB season, and back in 1985 Vince wanted as much attention from the media as possible for something he was trying to take national. Over the years it became established at that time and there was no point to change it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 I would guess it's probably a combination of building availability and the WWF's traditional territory of the Northeast US having a winter that could last until March in some places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laz Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 Likely also to have a big, big show at the end of the fiscal year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 I'm sure financial necessity played a part as well. Vince and WWF were up to their eyeballs in debt by the end of 1984 from buying TV time in so many markets, and they needed a big score to stave off bankruptcy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dav'oh Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 Thanks for everyone's input. There was an MSG house show on the 17th, so it wasn't a case of it falling into WWF's regular schedule. Tatsumi Fujinami worked Matt Borne on the next MSG card, on April 22, is something I also learned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveJRogers Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 5 hours ago, Dav'oh said: Thanks for everyone's input. There was an MSG house show on the 17th, so it wasn't a case of it falling into WWF's regular schedule. Tatsumi Fujinami worked Matt Borne on the next MSG card, on April 22, is something I also learned. I forget the episode numbers, but Place To Be Podcast rebooted their Vintage Vault series to go back from the beginning of the WWF super cards, and as goodies added the monthly MSG cards. So you can go back a few years to hear their coverage of these shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin' Brian Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 I wonder if a wrestler being shelved for the remainder of their contract could go somewhere else and work under a mask until the contract was over in this day and age. Make it a real life Yellow Dog, Midnight Rider, Mr. America situation. I’d honestly love to see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 Kazushi Miyamoto has resurfaced and is making his MMA debut tomorrow at RIZIN 27 against Tsuyoshi Sudairo who is a former sumo wrestler and now undefeated 2-0 MMA fighter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeg Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Edwin said: Kazushi Miyamoto has resurfaced and is making his MMA debut tomorrow at RIZIN 27 against Tsuyoshi Sudairo who is a former sumo wrestler and now undefeated 2-0 MMA fighter. 42 is pretty old to be jumping into MMA, even in a freakshow fight. I enjoyed his team with Honma back in the day... I've only seen Sudairo fight once and it was when he turned Dylan James' face into pulp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmo Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 On 3/17/2021 at 4:52 PM, Robert S said: Either that, or Patterson was the only one who was able to play the "yes, and"-game with Vince. Yeah it would make sense. Patterson was a protege of Roy Shire was known to be a demanding and difficult guy to work for and was known for his vision for the product. It might have uniquely equipped him to handle Vince. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin' Brian Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 I miss Saturday Night Wrestling. Watching the few episodes they have up on Peacock of WCW Saturday Night. The 1992 opening reminds me of the beginning of SNL. Glad to hear Jesse Ventura commentating. Had WWE already restored all of his commentary on the network or is this something new to Peacock? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 25 minutes ago, Flyin' Brian said: I miss Saturday Night Wrestling. Watching the few episodes they have up on Peacock of WCW Saturday Night. The 1992 opening reminds me of the beginning of SNL. Glad to hear Jesse Ventura commentating. Had WWE already restored all of his commentary on the network or is this something new to Peacock? They settled with Jesse at some point and restored all the commentary. I want to say it happened around the time everything moved from WWE 24/7 to the Network. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Wolfe Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 On 3/20/2021 at 5:51 AM, Edwin said: Kazushi Miyamoto has resurfaced and is making his MMA debut tomorrow at RIZIN 27 against Tsuyoshi Sudairo who is a former sumo wrestler and now undefeated 2-0 MMA fighter. He got fucking battered! Those strikes after the bell were really uncalled for though, not nice to watch at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohtani's jacket Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 Lots of rumors swirling about Inoki's health. He released a video, but he didn't look good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 13 hours ago, Dale Wolfe said: He got fucking battered! Those strikes after the bell were really uncalled for though, not nice to watch at all Yeah, Sudairo cleaned Miyamoto's clock. Not sure this has been posted before, but here's Miyamoto putting a Tenryu on rookie levels beating on some tiny Japanese indy wrestler called Kani KING. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 In these times where it seems everyone is at one another's throats, it's nice to see Wrestling Twitter come together to dunk on Ryan Satin for tweeting his not-at-all-made-up story of how his barber asked him about Bad Bunny being in WWE and how it made him consider watching again. (of course he had to turn it into "look at how these people who say they are concerned about mental health all bullying me" because he's always the victim) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dav'oh Posted March 24, 2021 Report Share Posted March 24, 2021 Do you like quizzes? a) youbetcha b) nah man c) who's asking d) tell me more If you answered a) or d), check out https://www.sporcle.com/search/quizzes/?s=pro wrestling&p=7. Some of them you really need to be a savant or at least a mega-stan, others aren't worth your time, but there's thousands of quizzes to sift through to find what suits you, sir. Very few are multiple choice, it's generally click or name. Here's a sorta random one to give you an idea https://www.sporcle.com/games/guyletucker/10-to-1-wwe-1 *Should probably make it clear they're Pro Wrestling quizzes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas Posted March 24, 2021 Report Share Posted March 24, 2021 General question, are bookers responsible for how long a match goes, or is it completely down to the wrestlers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted March 24, 2021 Report Share Posted March 24, 2021 Doug Furnas once said that in All Japan, you'd go out with a general idea of how long to go but went for however long it took to hit the crowd peak. In the WWF, on the other hand, all they cared about was hitting the time cues. Of course, a big part of that is the difference between an arena product and a live TV/PPV product. Recall that All In nearly ended in disaster because Okada's match went way over the allotted time. They had to drastically cut the main event as a result and still came dangerously close to going off the air with the match still in progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted March 24, 2021 Report Share Posted March 24, 2021 Shawn Micheals & Razor Ramon went longer than they should at WM X too, and apparently Savage was pissed at them for being unprofessional and therefore having the 10 men match scrapped. I mean... yeah, I really wanted to see that random ten men tag match with IRS & Tatanka (and whoever, don't remember, the HeadShrinkers and the Smoking Gunns probably)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Log Posted March 24, 2021 Report Share Posted March 24, 2021 35 minutes ago, El-P said: Shawn Micheals & Razor Ramon went longer than they should at WM X too, and apparently Savage was pissed at them for being unprofessional and therefore having the 10 men match scrapped. I mean... yeah, I really wanted to see that random ten men tag match with IRS & Tatanka (and whoever, don't remember, the HeadShrinkers and the Smoking Gunns probably)... It wasn’t that the 10-man was going to be some amazing match. It’s that you don’t knowingly cost ten of your co-workers their spot on the biggest show of the year. I’m sure all ten guys got paid, but it’s still shitty to do that to those guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTLL Posted March 24, 2021 Report Share Posted March 24, 2021 It also messed with the layout of the show, as they had to go directly from the ladder match into the main event. They slotted that 10-man as a cooldown. Awhile back when I was going on about where WWE would move the Thunderdome (don't worry, I'm the only one who remembers) I forgot college basketball season was ending soon. They chose the Yuengling Center, better known as the USF Sun Dome, a frequent WWF venue in the '80s and '90s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted March 24, 2021 Report Share Posted March 24, 2021 I'm just glad they are continuing with the Thunderdome and not doing the "crowds are back after Mania" plan that was being considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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