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hey Jingus, there's a story floating aroud the net that Jeremy Borash has been pretending to be the owner of TNA to "impress" people at clubs and such ( ie hitting on women) Apparently Bischoff called him on this and called him unprofessional and pathetic. Didn't you say that Borash used to do this type of stuff all the time in the Nashville indies?

 

the TNA workers are apparently taking Borash's side

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So clearing out random stuff i've had sitting around on my hard drive I started watching Lockdown 2009 and on the PRE SHOW Eric Young wrestled Danny Bonaduche, WTF?????? Had no memory of this. It actually was pretty good too for a 3 min celebrity match, Danny got in a drop kick & a swanton bomb and the entire rest of it was him taking nutty bumps like getting press slamed & suplexed into the cage & stiff forearms & junk. Post match he attacks Eric with some nun chucks so Rhino comes out to gore him. Weird.....

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Other than a few rare examples, like James Storm, Bobby Roode & Eric Young, there's not a lot of people that are stars because of TNA.

Bully Ray has done a good job of rejuvenating his career. AJ Styles I reckon is more successful and famous because of TNA. But then you have guys like Samoa Joe that went to TNA and just fell completely off and in 2005, he was in the conversation with a lot of people for the best active wrestler. I think Gail Kim has improved too, but she was decent the first-go-round in TNA and after how bad her last WWE stint was, it might just be because it's a refreshing change of pace.

 

I think the talent is there, roster wise, but if people don't want to see the match, it doesn't really matter how good (or bad) it turns out to be. A MOTYC only matters if people actually see it. Austin Aries, Bobby Roode, Magnus.. there's people there that I want to see. But they're mixed in with the D-Von's & Zema Ion's of the roster so I just sort of become apathetic.

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If we stripped TNA's booking out of the equation entirely, how do their in-ring matches shape up? How good is their talent?

Fairly solid but with very few MOTYCs typically held down by over booking and poor agenting.

 

It seems like they have a lot more blown spots than the WWE does, for whatever reason; and I think their camerawork and editing is much worse, which makes matches seem suckier than they really are. But overall the shitty booking even reaches right down into the matches itself. Having a clean fight between two opponents without any stupid outside shenanigans is a terribly rare occurrence in TNA.
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If we stripped TNA's booking out of the equation entirely, how do their in-ring matches shape up? How good is their talent?

Their talent pool has been overrated for years. I'm sure there are guys that work their who would do well in the WWE. I'm thinking of guys like Robbie E or maybe even Kazarian who I could see being good for eight minute matches on NXT v. Jimmy Uso. But as far as guys where their talent is readily obvious and shining through despite the booking to one degree or another...well. Roode is good enough, but highly overrated. Storm is very good in theory, but has not had a really good match in a couple of years. Jarrett can work when he wants to, as can Styles, but both have been Joe/Homicided to one degree or another and don't appear to give a shit. Magnus is overrated, but probably more good than bad. Aries is good at what he does. Kash is good, but not really put in a position to show what he is good at. Bully Ray is good and stands out as the best guy in the promotion. Other than that I see some mediocrity and outright shit (Abyss, Matt Morgan, Anderson, RVD, Crimson, Gunner, Garrett Bischoff, Angle, et).

 

Last year they had a handful of matches I really liked, the best of which was the LMS with Ray v. Styles that was pretty great. After that those two had a good house show match in December, Aries had a couple of good matches with Kendrick and...?

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I wonder what WWE gave TNA to get Flair for the Hall of Fame and mania.? I'm guessing money but maybe advertising for Lockdown?

I can't see WWE advertising a TNA PPV when they refused to acknowledge on their website that Flair still works for TNA. I'm guessing they're just getting a booking fee and assurances that Flair won't badmouth their company on TV.

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If we stripped TNA's booking out of the equation entirely, how do their in-ring matches shape up? How good is their talent?

TNA's almost the perfect compilation fed in a way whear you don't really want to watch large batches of it but if you cherry pick the best things you can come up with a lot worth taking a look at.

 

Currently their roster is at maybe the worst it's been since the early days of the company but at certain points in their history i'd rate the match quality very high myself. Watching the rest of the 09 Lockdown show a few days ago i'd call the Beer Money vs 3D tag & Wargames both great matches. The Sting vs Foley main event was surprisingly damn good as well. Understandably not a lot of crazy bumps or anything but they made up for it with some really good selling & psychology building the match around dualing leg work to prevent each other from climbing out to win.

 

Bit of a bummer in a way that if the company goes out of business most will just point and laugh when looking back and their ocasional good moments will largely be forgotten.

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http://forums.barbaricwrestling.com/index....showtopic=16179

LARRY ZBYSZKO: The story with TNA at the beginning was they had this secret backer who was Dr. Andrews from Alabama who was the knee specialist. He was the secret backer who didn’t want anybody to know he was backing it, but then all of the sudden it leaked out. Everybody found out that this Dr. Andrews was the guy, so he pulled out and TNA almost shut down.

Does anyone know if this is true? I tried a quick google search which came up with nothing, and I've never heard anything about this before.

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I stopped watching TNA when Don West was removed from color commentary. That was a crime. His heel commentary was EASILY the shining spot in 09 TNA that I saw. I did go to a house show in Dalton, GA later that year and he was selling merch. I got his autograph and he was seriously the only one I cared to get one from. As far as the promotion goes, I still can't forgive them for those frightening videos of AJ attempting to get in Karen Angle/Jarretts pants by taking her around Orlando and at one point to see alligators.

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I stopped watching TNA when Don West was removed from color commentary. That was a crime. His heel commentary was EASILY the shining spot in 09 TNA that I saw.

Yeah this was really the last major "fuck this company to eternal hell" moment for me too. West carried entire shows that were unwatchable and made shit segments amusing. He was literally the only good thing about multiple ppvs that year. I was regularly watching their shows just to hear West's commentary, which is something I hadn't done for that purpose...ever? Anyhow when he got moved out of the booth for that piece of shit Taz I wrote off the company for months. I still watch matches here or there, but West era was the last time I watched regularly

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HealthSouth was TNA's original backer, but Andrews didn't start working with them until 2005.

Actually I'm watching a Nitro from 1996 where they go to HealthSouth to talk to James Andrews about Ric Flair's shoulder surgery. Maybe there really is something to this, I remember HealthSouth being the big backer and them pulling out.
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I don't think WWE or WCW ever had a match as stupid as the Reverse Battle Royal. Ok that's a decent concept for about 5 seconds until you realize that everyone looks fucking retarded fighting each other on the outside instead of just running to get into the ring. Especially when guys are fighting each other on the apron or obviously standing around waiting for someone to come fight them because they're not supposed to get in the ring yet. Totally deserve to win the Observer's "Worst Worked Match" award.

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