El-P Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, Mad Dog said: Heyman is old too and his booking post ECW has been vastly overrated. Agreed. The infamous Smackdown 6 era was basically "we have a bunch of great workers, let's have some great matches", which is not very hard to do, really. The ECW redux booked by Heyman was putrid. Hell, Heyman during ECW was toasted by 1998. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocco Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 RAW will always be a slog as long as it's three hours IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rocco said: RAW will always be a slog as long as it's three hours IMO. This is the conventional wisdom, but how come three-hour PPVs were never a slog back in the day? A good three-hour show, while never ideal, is attainable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 14 minutes ago, C.S. said: A good three-hour show, while never ideal, is attainable. Not weekly. Monthly, for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Wolfe Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 Two hours is too long never mind three Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 Two hours is fine if it's the only show the promotion has for the week. A two hour show a few days after a three hour show (and a few days before a 3-4 hour ppvs once a month) is way too much of a time investment for anyone who hasn't already spent years following the company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blehschmidt Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 You are only speaking of Raw, Smackdown, and PPV's. What about 2 hours of NXT, an hour each for 205 Live, Main Event, and NXT UK, and now a potential Talk Show. WWE is a part time job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMKK Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 This company is such a mess. I know Seth's tweets are old news now but this tickled me. I don't know if this meme got big outside of UK/Ireland but it's perfect: https://twitter.com/GlobalForceGold/status/1184170573640994819?s=19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 EB is pure class. BTW, did anyone catch the amusing Bix-Satin fight on Twitter last night about writing teams? I think Bix won handily, but that's just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sek69 Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 30 minutes ago, C.S. said: BTW, did anyone catch the amusing Bix-Satin fight on Twitter last night about writing teams? I think Bix won handily, but that's just me. I did. The rap on Satin was that he was angling to get a WWE gig, and I never really saw that until after he did the PR tour of the Performance Center. Ever since he's been 100% shilling everything related to WWE to the point I thought he was doing a bit. Before the Bix thing he was raving about the WWE2K20 game, and was fighting with people who were pointing out it's been a buggy piece of trash that looks like a budget PS2 game for years. Arguing that the thing AEW needs is more TV writers who don't know about wrestling is a pretty galactic brain take though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 Stephanie reading off draft picks with her Marketing 101 tag lines for each WWE Superstar was like finding out that hostage you've been waiting to be saved took a bullet to the head. As long as the company speaks and presents itself and its characters in that fashion I don't see how they ever reverse the current trajectory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 "The Architect™," "The Kingslayer™" Seth Rollins... and he's going to BURN IT DOWN~! Just makes them sound fucking stupid to be honest. Which is probably why they can't connect with younger viewers. It's like your dad trying to talk to you about music & still name-dropping AC/DC & Metallica. Of course, the new Smackdown theme song is an AC/DC song, so... yeah. For the sake of full transparency however, NWA Power last week opened with Dokken & I marked out, so I'm obviously just a hypocrite. (I'm also 38 years old). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 Hey, Seth just did burn something down this week. But he's still a face and fans are supposed to cheer the guy that ruined the one thing on the show they enjoyed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 Hey, AC/DC is timeless. And it's not like there are any good popular modern hard rock or heavy metal groups for wrestling to draw from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 Millennials don't listen to rock music. Like, at all. That ship has sailed. AEW needs Charli XCX or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 So the most low-key entertaining act in WWE, Truth and Carmella, got broken up because the 24/7 title is a USA invention and Carmella is on SD because Corey is over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 1 minute ago, sek69 said: So the most low-key entertaining act in WWE, Truth and Carmella, got broken up because the 24/7 title is a USA invention and Carmella is on SD because Corey is over there. That's confusing to me. I doubt Corey is on the road when there isn't TV. And the shows are days apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 AEW could always go with K-pop since that seems to be the new hotness. Although it wouldn't be the first integration of wrestling and K-pop since Mauro made a BTS reference during last year's Wargames Takeover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 16 minutes ago, NintendoLogic said: Hey, AC/DC is timeless. And it's not like there are any good popular modern hard rock or heavy metal groups for wrestling to draw from. This is how we know we're old, dude. This is the shit our grandfather used to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 45 minutes ago, Mad Dog said: That's confusing to me. I doubt Corey is on the road when there isn't TV. And the shows are days apart. New company mandate after they got heat a while back for splitting up IRL couples with the draft. It's why Andrade is on RAW (both for him and Charlotte and Zelina/Alistar Black). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMJ Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 I wonder if the "significant promises" that were alluded to in the post above were: - Strong ratings. They lost what? 25% from Week 1 to Week 2? And, while they did well 18-49, they still came in 3rd in total viewers. That's not too great for what is often touted as "DVR-proof" content that "reaches all ages." After two weeks, we know: there are still more Americans who'd rather watch Tom Selleck (on Blue Bloods) and a Tom Selleck-adjacent property (the Magnum P.I reboot) than the WWE. - Separate rosters. The first episode featured RAW superstars heavily. And while one could argue that some of those guys would be drafted a week later - Braun Strowman and Bray Wyatt, for example - the clear demarcation between rosters was probably something FOX would've liked on Day 1 because... - Many of the biggest stars on the first episode of SD were not full-timers. The Rock. Lesnar. Cain Velasquez. Hell, the first two segment on the Fox debut featured four characters - Vince and Stephanie, Becky Lynch, and Baron Corbin - who are all RAW characters. - Pair the above fact with the way that WWE is marketed and promoted to potential advertisers and investors, with a HUGE emphasis on stars of the past, and you can see why Fox might've thought that working with the WWE was going to be a HUGE deal. I mean, based on the advertisements, how could a weekly show featuring The Rock, Stone Cold, The Undertaker, John Cena, Brock Lesnar, and Hulk Hogan not be a huge hit? And before people jump at me and say, "Well, the Fox execs were smart enough to know those guys aren't weekly performers anymore," hold on a sec. How many TV execs are even casual wrestling fans? Probably not many. Even fewer would admit it. Even when it was popular, it wasn't "cool" or seen as high brow entertainment. There are also everyday people who still think Tina Fey and Will Ferrel are on SNL. If you ask a non-NBA fan to name some famous players, they might still say Kobe Bryant. Did you know Cameron Diaz retired from acting 5 years ago? PLUS, as explained above, if you watched the promotional materials that the WWE produced, you would reasonably assume that all those stars of yesteryear would at least appear in cameos every week. Its not like SNL advertises next week's show with clips of Opera Man and Jon Lovitz' "That's The Ticket" guy. You can't sell Cavs tickets by showing clips of LeBron hoisting the trophy in 2016 but that is exactly what the WWE did. - Lastly, the "sports-like presentation." It still looks and feels like the same ol' WWE. And there are still lots of corny gimmicks that sports fans will roll their eyes at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 Yes please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMKK Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 28 minutes ago, DMJ said: I wonder if the "significant promises" that were alluded to in the post above were: - Strong ratings. They lost what? 25% from Week 1 to Week 2? And, while they did well 18-49, they still came in 3rd in total viewers. That's not too great for what is often touted as "DVR-proof" content that "reaches all ages." After two weeks, we know: there are still more Americans who'd rather watch Tom Selleck (on Blue Bloods) and a Tom Selleck-adjacent property (the Magnum P.I reboot) than the WWE. - Separate rosters. The first episode featured RAW superstars heavily. And while one could argue that some of those guys would be drafted a week later - Braun Strowman and Bray Wyatt, for example - the clear demarcation between rosters was probably something FOX would've liked on Day 1 because... - Many of the biggest stars on the first episode of SD were not full-timers. The Rock. Lesnar. Cain Velasquez. Hell, the first two segment on the Fox debut featured four characters - Vince and Stephanie, Becky Lynch, and Baron Corbin - who are all RAW characters. - Pair the above fact with the way that WWE is marketed and promoted to potential advertisers and investors, with a HUGE emphasis on stars of the past, and you can see why Fox might've thought that working with the WWE was going to be a HUGE deal. I mean, based on the advertisements, how could a weekly show featuring The Rock, Stone Cold, The Undertaker, John Cena, Brock Lesnar, and Hulk Hogan not be a huge hit? And before people jump at me and say, "Well, the Fox execs were smart enough to know those guys aren't weekly performers anymore," hold on a sec. There are people who still think Tina Fey and Will Ferrel are on SNL. If you ask a non-NBA fan to name some famous players, they might still say Kobe Bryant. Did you know Cameron Diaz retired from acting 5 years ago? PLUS, as explained above, if you watched the promotional materials that the WWE produced, you would reasonably assume that all those stars of yesteryear would at least appear in cameos every week. Its not like SNL advertises next week's show with clips of Opera Man and Jon Lovitz' "That's The Ticket" guy. You can't sell Cavs tickets by showing clips of LeBron hoisting the trophy in 2016 but that is exactly what the WWE did. - Lastly, the "sports-like presentation." It still looks and feels like the same ol' WWE. And there are still lots of corny gimmicks that sports fans will roll their eyes at. All I could think of reading this post is that Tom Selleck is getting the belt at the next Saudi Blood Money show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 So the rumors of this big announcement is possibly NXT Japan. Because why not ruin another countries wrestling scene with a promotion no one wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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