shodate Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 my system as no biases i judge on what every person watching eyes can see if wrestling was audio-based art like Music i would say use audio elements to judge i Judge workers based on what i can see and what most people can see even if they do not wish to do so stuff like realism My biggest gripe with this realism narrative is that a simple Irish whip pretty much kills any sense of realism. im talking about realism in mat work or strikes ie stuff you would see in a real fight Even then, there's a lot of matwork in pro-wrestling that obviously doesn't work/wouldn't work in a real fight. That reminds of this clip from JRE: If you stick to that narrative, then not even shoot style would work for you as a lot of the matwork in shoot style doesn't make sense, is poorly executed, etc. Volk han trained fedor the best MMA Fighter ever make sense is different to looking realistic who has better mat work[ie more realistic mat work bret hart or Volk han who has better more realtisc looking/feeling strikes someone like a Kansai or some like a Trish note picked trish becuase one of her finishes is a Kick who has better ie more realistic mat work benoit or tamura what looks more reailisc benot vs angle or han vs Tamura im talking about opt the untained eye why i like realism so much 2 two fold 1 im wrestling fan who as trained in Sambo Judo and Jujutsu and Karate 2 since it for help for me to bye into the work when it comes ot strikes in the mainstme promotion like wwe wcw and like even all Japan in the golden times New japan was better at this but srtikeing techqinue was shit good techqiniue is good to making a worked strike look real sekking i has nothing ot do with it selling a week looking strike one with poor technique makesa worker look week my main isuue with HBK is that too and with superkick in general [ super kicks are just basic side trust kick] toany one in and Strike based art do you lean out of your kicks ie pull the y will point and laugh any one who ever sold the sweet chin muisc looked week as shit stuff like aja's uraken or Nakajima r15 have good techinque so look more realistic even if its pulled strike this was why i will never rate rock austin or hbk as top level workers vander on the other hand is in my [my top 300 at around 250 why because of tthe simple fact the camera help cover his poor technique ot make his punches feel real so earer fir me to buy as real Dunns camera work never helped HBKs either cuase it showed you how much he leaned out pulling and leaning are two very different thing some pulling is needed in a work leaning out is bad technique this is also why i think ronda should not need ot be trained cuase volk was never and look at how good he was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodate Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 I guess I prefer my wrestling to be Romantic I get it you're a big fan of WAR? i was indeed that mainly becuase i liked hara and tenryu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 I guess I prefer my wrestling to be RomanticI get it you're a big fan of WAR? Maybe I would be if I ever see any of it. Probably too modern for my tastes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 this is also why i think ronda should not need ot be trained cuase volk was never and look at how good he was Yes, Han being a one of a kind talent and being a pro wrestler before having an actual MMA career surely means Ronda should not be trained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 I guess I prefer my wrestling to be RomanticI get it you're a big fan of WAR? Maybe I would be if I ever see any of it. Probably too modern for my tastes https://youtu.be/qUdtffiFUrw?t=1h5m20s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodate Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 this is also why i think ronda should not need ot be trained cuase volk was never and look at how good he was Yes, Han being a one of a kind talent and being a pro wrestler before having an actual MMA career surely means Ronda should not be trained. he was a top levle grappler based on back ground alone Combat Sambo is a hard art ad he was good at the Ronda being a judoka a very mucj grapple based art Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodate Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 this is also why i think ronda should not need ot be trained cuase volk was never and look at how good he was Yes, Han being a one of a kind talent and being a pro wrestler before having an actual MMA career surely means Ronda should not be trained. he was a top levle grappler based on back ground alone Combat Sambo is a hard art ad he was good at the Ronda being a judoka a very mucj grapple based art are you are Ronda was nay sort of top level Striker the Fighr with Holm beg tp differ and Sambo beta Judo i say that having practine both in my time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 The difficult thing in comparing the Samoan Swat Team to the Usos is the SST worked mostly squashes (which are more fun than the Bucks/Usos combined) but when they did do longer form matches, they matched anything the Usos could do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 he was a top levle grappler based on back ground alone Combat Sambo is a hard art ad he was good at the Ronda being a judoka a very mucj grapple based art Still had a pro wrestling career before an MMA career. Widely considered to be one of the best, if not the best, at his style (which having a sambo background surely helped). Not that Ronda can't become great at pro wrestling, but to say that she doesn't need training is nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 "Pardon me shodate, I just have one question. How do you feel about Dory Funk Jr. ?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodate Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 he was a top levle grappler based on back ground alone Combat Sambo is a hard art ad he was good at the Ronda being a judoka a very mucj grapple based art Still had a pro wrestling career before an MMA career. Widely considered to be one of the best, if not the best, at his style (which having a sambo background surely helped). Not that Ronda can't become great at pro wrestling, but to say that she doesn't need training is nuts. im not talking baout mma or not mma i talking about there key arts simple as that Sayama was Kickboxer before a pro wrester his last kick boxing match was june of 1980 he was National Champion he transitioned fine his called on the job traning Han did that as did all the RINGS Sambists and Doleman the best Dtuch worker is RINGS who was what else but a Judoka or look at bad news or even Karalin in his only ever worked match Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodate Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 "Pardon me shodate, I just have one question. How do you feel about Dory Funk Jr. ?" best us worker of the 1970's based on what i have seen of him and then his Japan stuff in the 80's also top level but do not aged as well as say Fujiwara has honestly Fujiawra had the match of the yesr last year vs Suzuki and the age of 68 and only the 2nd ***** match of the past 8 years for mr the 1990's was the golden age five ir six promotions putting high quilty stuff on consistent basis yes but i like dory but she sould hang them up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 Every judging system on an art has bias, don't try to pretend you some how superior and you are bias free. Plus if you think Usos suck, your system doesn't sound very good to me. I never said they suck not once i said based on what i have seen of them there as good as people say read my system all my system is based on observable things ie not Something Intangible Like Realism and execution of the offence and technique and technical skill visibly tangible things i also Judge matches based upon this system hence why i have nuclear heat in some other places based on my view of some famous matches in other places iv done topics on comparing and ratings famous workers using my system Russohiiles[ people who think like russo] hate me yes but why you mention nuclear heat and Russoholes it kils u gimmick and because they dont exhibit these types here? not proper lexicon and b-sides goldlust and jerry blsckwell, lawler, or vahn Erik are all the sum of hour fan. Favorites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodate Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 Every judging system on an art has bias, don't try to pretend you some how superior and you are bias free. Plus if you think Usos suck, your system doesn't sound very good to me. I never said they suck not once i said based on what i have seen of them there as good as people say read my system all my system is based on observable things ie not Something Intangible Like Realism and execution of the offence and technique and technical skill visibly tangible things i also Judge matches based upon this system hence why i have nuclear heat in some other places based on my view of some famous matches in other places iv done topics on comparing and ratings famous workers using my system Russohiiles[ people who think like russo] hate me yes but why you mention nuclear heat and Russoholes it kils u gimmick and because they dont exhibit these types here? not proper lexicon and b-sides goldlust and jerry blsckwell, lawler, or vahn Erik are all the sum of hour fan. Favorites. hence hy i said other places that i dount i will not get here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 I guess I prefer my wrestling to be RomanticWell, fortunately for you, I have a Romance Score included in my rating system. (This is my new favorite post, btw) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 I think the Usos are good and I enjoy their work. They wouldn't touch any kind of best tag team list for me. The Bucks would probably creep into the lower part of a top 50 list though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 Also on character work. I find Samu fucking around with Heyman's cell phone during promos to be more interesting as far as character goes than anything the Usos do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodate Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 i hate squash matches so the usos win over the sst in that aera Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSR Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 I never said they suck not once i said based on what i have seen of them there as good as people say read my system all my system is based on observable things ie not Something Intangible Like Realism and execution of the offence and technique and technical skill visibly tangible things i also Judge matches based upon this system hence why i have nuclear heat in some other places based on my view of some famous matches in other places iv done topics on comparing and ratings famous workers using my system Russohiiles[ people who think like russo] hate me This is a wrestling forum to discuss wrestling, have you any idea how ridiculous you sound claiming you have 'nuclear heat' in places? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPS Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 Magnum Milano SHOOTS on shodate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodate Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 iv been called xenophobic and archaic] among others thing] in other places cause my views on wrestling hence why i say i have said nuclear heat in parts of the IWC if you will in the same parts iv also been called a hardcore nationalist cuase of my views on wrestling witch is slanderous since I am a AnSynd and that has been my view ever since I became Politically Minded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 That doesn't bode well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPS Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 What is Ansynd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodate Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 What is Ansynd? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodate Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 That doesn't bode well explain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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