FMKK Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 TNA doesn't draw money and their ratings are in decline so it makes no sense for them to offer big money contracts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 I know everyone is going to jump on the "LOLTNA" bandwagon on this and there is SOME basis for that considering the way they apparently tried to sneak in a clause where they would get 10% of Matt Hardy's money from outside dates but I also feel like Matt asking for creative control was something he knew he wasn't going to get & when TNA said no it would make him the babyface because he was theoretically willing to stay there and they said no. He didn't have creative control in his last contract and still got to reinvent himself with the new character and do all the stuff at the Hardy Compound so I'm not sure he really needed that in his contract to keep doing his own thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 Catching up on IMPACT show and am I over-reacting thinking that Aaron Rex is a terrible version of every stereotypical view of gay people. It is clear they are going that way with the commentators saying things like "well this is 2017" or "people can be what they want" I mean he isn't even trying to be like Adrian Street or Rico and is a complete pansy that doesn't want punishment. He is barely Adrian Adonis right now. Never mind the fact that he has had over 4 or 5 different characters in the last 3 or 4 years so it is completely phony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 I've not seen ANYONE say anything about the current Aron Rex character except that it is awful (and made worse by the very bad TNA commentary) but if there is any upside to it hopefully it will spare us from seeing his name on some list years from now as someone "WWE dropped the ball on" because dude was really never all that good is just another in the list of people who aren't very good but got over being paired up with Miz (Alex Riley, Sandow, and the Miz miracle of miracles when he actually made Ziggler relevant in 2016) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakeplastictrees Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 Rex has been overall awful since coming in. I was expecting something great...and well... The whole "It's 2017" stuff is just plain awful as it cheapens an already cheap gimmick. It will be interesting to see what TNA does in 2018 with The Hardys gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 Sasha just mentioned Matt Hardy on twitter. INTRIGUE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCampbell Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 A few months back, there was talk in this thread about the streaming rights to TNA. Has anything ever happened as far as that goes? I can't imagine why they haven't tried to get Impact on Hulu already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Migs Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 I know everyone is going to jump on the "LOLTNA" bandwagon on this and there is SOME basis for that considering the way they apparently tried to sneak in a clause where they would get 10% of Matt Hardy's money from outside dates but I also feel like Matt asking for creative control was something he knew he wasn't going to get & when TNA said no it would make him the babyface because he was theoretically willing to stay there and they said no. He didn't have creative control in his last contract and still got to reinvent himself with the new character and do all the stuff at the Hardy Compound so I'm not sure he really needed that in his contract to keep doing his own thing. Matt had to know that he and his brother were the only thing many people were watching TNA for, though. I'd legit watch an hour show every week that was just based out of the Hardy compound. Very curious to see whether they go for the cash in with WWE or try to do something totally different to monetize this hot streak. I can't see them doing a long ROH run, although I'm way too excited to see them and the Young Bucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cox Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 I think they would run the Broken Hardys concept into the ground doing a weekly show, but I do wonder if there is money to be made doing a monthly or quarterly special from the Hardy compound. Because it wouldn't have an audience, it wouldn't need to be done live, so they would save money by being able to pretape everything. They may not even need to do an entire show, but they could fill the undercard with CWF and other North Carolina indie guys if they wanted to. But they could do vignettes on YouTube to sell it and build shows around the Hardys wrestling various tag teams at the compound, and distribute it themselves and keep all of the money. I'm not sure how much interest they would get from this, or if it would make enough money to be worth the work, but it's at least something I've thought about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradhindsight Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 goc and Dylan (on twitter) have had a lot of good points on this. I also side with TNA on the Creative control thing - he didn't have it in his last contract fwiw, and granted the people in charge (Billy, etc) let him do his thing. I don't blame him for asking, but to posture like that's a deal breaker - I'm not buying. Now the 10% kicker thing, I'm curious what it was in his last contract because it isn't new that they control their talents' outside booking. And probably the worst thing TNA did was laugh off them appearing at these tapings. They don't bring other non-contract guys in for per-taping fees? Matt's been out hitting every indie as it was, so he seems to be doing ok $$-wise. I think a short-term, maybe a 10-date deal with ROH as a bridge to WWE works for everyone (if they'd even want it - it's a hypothetical). It's been mentioned plenty of places but Hardy would absolutely draw on the road for ROH, whereas TNA doesn't run shows. If ROH lined him up for their live shows, he would absolutely sell tickets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 I'll just reiterate what I was saying on twitter here that although I understand the criticism of TNA letting The Hardys go since they were clearly their hottest act, I don't think there was any way for The Hardys to generate revenue for the company that would pay for the costs of their contract. Even if TNA started running house shows again, what is the ceiling for a house show with Hardys on top? 600-800 paid? Even with 4 shows with those kinds of attendance per month I don't think you could make enough money to where The Hardys contracts weren't adding to the red ink. The overall thing to keep in mind for TNA is they were bought by a company that sees them first and foremost as TV content for the Fight Network. And The Hardys really weren't a big ratings draw. Yes the Hardy Compound specials did higher than average numbers but it was also diminishing returns as Total Nonstop Deletion was lowest of the 3 and them being on the regular show every week didn't really lead to any ratings growth. I realize a lot of that is that Pop TV is a shitty TV station that no one watches but that's also the big problem that TNA has. Nothing they do is going to pay for the production costs of their TV show except getting a better TV deal and the only real outside chance they have of doing that is getting hooked up with ITV in the UK, which to TNA's credit they are (were?) at least trying to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 It's a vicious cycle. There's no way TNA could earn back the cost of the kind of contract the Hardys would command, but without acts like the Hardys TNA will never be in the position to make any more money than they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Migs Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 It's a vicious cycle. There's no way TNA could earn back the cost of the kind of contract the Hardys would command, but without acts like the Hardys TNA will never be in the position to make any more money than they do. One could call it a death spiral, except they've been in one for like 5 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Maria and Mike Bennett have also left the company Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Not sure why TNA is insisting control over everyone's independent bookings when A. They only run like one show a month when they do tapings and B. it's been the dealbreaker in 3 of their top acts leaving in a row. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteF3 Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Not sure why TNA is insisting control over everyone's independent bookings when A. They only run like one show a month when they do tapings and B. it's been the dealbreaker in 3 of their top acts leaving in a row. Just playing devil's advocate here: TNA got burned because Drew Galloway got hurt at a WCPW show and they had to re-do Bound for Glory because he couldn't wrestle. If a guy's out for one day, he misses a month's worth of TV. I can see the company wanting some sort of insurance policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 You can't expect talent to sign over booking control when they already fucked guys over doing that previously (different regime I know, but still), and it's not like they are running a WWE like schedule where working indy dates would be a bonus and not where most of their income comes from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirEdger Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Maria and Mike Bennett have also left the company They have? Looks like this means they didn't re-sign last week, as reported then. Man, TNA's gonna have a tough job rebuilding on many fronts. Not that Mike Bennett had a stellar run in TNA though. Maria clearly was the top act of the couple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Migs Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Not sure why TNA is insisting control over everyone's independent bookings when A. They only run like one show a month when they do tapings and B. it's been the dealbreaker in 3 of their top acts leaving in a row. Just playing devil's advocate here: TNA got burned because Drew Galloway got hurt at a WCPW show and they had to re-do Bound for Glory because he couldn't wrestle. If a guy's out for one day, he misses a month's worth of TV. I can see the company wanting some sort of insurance policy. You can't expect talent to sign over booking control when they already fucked guys over doing that previously (different regime I know, but still), and it's not like they are running a WWE like schedule where working indy dates would be a bonus and not where most of their income comes from. This is one of the many contradictions built into TNA's current business model. Interestingly, ROH has almost the flip business model, with the live shows driving things much more than TV. Seems to be working better (if not great). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 TNA is basically that cool part time job that suddenly decides to start asking their employees to treat it like a full time job, and get surprised when everyone leaves. I wonder what the plan is to fill all the gaps, maybe this is why they made a deal with NOAH and Jeff is trying to start a bromance with Konnan at Crash shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Alberto El Patron is backstage at the tapings tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Alberto El Patron is backstage at the tapings tonight Well that's pretty much the only bridge he hasn't burned yet I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blehschmidt Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 Alberto El Patron is TNA Champion! Anthem spelled backwards is Meh,TNA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 I don't have a problem with that on paper, but history (of both sides) tells it's just a matter of time before that blows up in their faces. Also would anyone here get upset about TNA spoilers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 And apparently they officially dumped the TNA name on camera, so maybe we can finally close this thread and open a new one called "Is Impact Wrestling the worst wrestling promotion in history?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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