goc Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 Yea I'm not sure why you're re-quoting that at me considering I'm specifically saying I think Harry Smith is a terrible partner for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 On 12/26/2014 at 10:04 PM, goc said: Yea I'm not sure why you're re-quoting that at me considering I'm specifically saying I think Harry Smith is a terrible partner for him. Because you sort of missed the point of what I said. I never suggested plain, vanilla Harry Smith. I suggested some kind of British Bulldogs type of gimmick for them (but not specifically "The New British Bulldogs," as that never works - but rather something in the same spirit) . Something with color and flash, pomp and circumstance. But I'm not hung up on Harry Smith specifically. That was just an example. Primarily, I meant that someone "new and fresh" should be Neville's partner in this scenario - not a stale WWE midcarder like Kofi who has been overexposed for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 I didn't take the "Mighty Mouse" thing so literally. I didn't take it as literally dressing him up as a cosplay superhero rodent, I took it as booking him like Dynamite Kid. I guess I'm too naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 On 12/26/2014 at 10:20 PM, Coffey said: I didn't take the "Mighty Mouse" thing so literally. I didn't take it as literally dressing him up as a cosplay superhero rodent, I took it as booking him like Dynamite Kid. I guess I'm too naive. I didn't take it literally to the point that they'll put him in a mouse costume (although I wouldn't put anything past the WWE), just that it's going to be some goofy, kid-friendly, lame, uncool, opening card purgatory gimmick. I think we'd all love it if they booked him like Dynamite Kid, but I'm not sure how you got Dynamite Kid out of Mighty Mouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 Basically, the only upside Neville has at all is to be the guy who jumps on people for Wade Barrett in flashy beatdowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 On 12/26/2014 at 10:08 PM, C.S. said: On 12/26/2014 at 10:04 PM, goc said: Yea I'm not sure why you're re-quoting that at me considering I'm specifically saying I think Harry Smith is a terrible partner for him. Because you sort of missed the point of what I said. I never suggested plain, vanilla Harry Smith. I suggested some kind of British Bulldogs type of gimmick for them (but not specifically "The New British Bulldogs," as that never works - but rather something in the same spirit) . Something with color and flash, pomp and circumstance. But I'm not hung up on Harry Smith specifically. That was just an example. Primarily, I meant that someone "new and fresh" should be Neville's partner in this scenario - not a stale WWE midcarder like Kofi who has been overexposed for years. You could put Harry Smith in a rainbow outfit and it's not going to do him any good, the guy has no charisma. Kofi is stale but he was still getting reactions before the stupid New Day crap and he has more charisma and ability to connect to the crowd than Harry Smith & Adrian Neville put together. I'm not stuck on Kofi, I'm just saying if the point of putting him in a tag team is to hide his weaknesses you'd want to put him with someone who can engage the crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 On 12/26/2014 at 10:49 PM, goc said: You could put Harry Smith in a rainbow outfit and it's not going to do him any good, the guy has no charisma. Kofi is stale but he was still getting reactions before the stupid New Day crap and he has more charisma and ability to connect to the crowd than Harry Smith & Adrian Neville put together. I'm not stuck on Kofi, I'm just saying if the point of putting him in a tag team is to hide his weaknesses you'd want to put him with someone who can engage the crowd. I agree with your general point, but I think they'd be better served finding someone new and fresh who fits that bill. Kofi has stale midcard stink all over him. I was hoping The New Day would be a heel gimmick that would give him a character and rejuvenate his career, but alas, that's not what ended up happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Crackers Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 WWE missed the boat by 30 years: http://luchawiki.org/index.php?title=Super_Raton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiva Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 I think the problem with giving Neville any sort of cartoony gimmick is that a certain section of the crowd is going to chant for his NXT name. The guy could be out there in full Mighty Mouse regalia but you're going to hear "Adrian Neville" chants throughout his matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 On 12/27/2014 at 12:00 AM, Graham Crackers said: WWE missed the boat by 30 years: http://luchawiki.org/index.php?title=Super_Raton Got NO problems seeing Adrian Neville in that. It didn't stop Super Raton from having insane bloody brawls with dudes dressed like Thundercats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBscout Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 Over in ProWres section, I made a Top 10 of the 2010s thread now that the decade's half way through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blehschmidt Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 What about pairing Neville with Justin Gabriel. He can do flashy highspots, and everyone forgot he exists. Give them some matching tights, let them work the 'Dusts, it could be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 He could have a Heathcliff the cat themed character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mini Bennett Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 An ACL injury put a quick end to Adrian Neville and Joel Redman, which was a fun team for it's brief existence in NXT. I'm not nearly as down on Neville as others. All the tools are there for a nice career as a mid-card babyface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 Orton and Barrett both returned tonight on the road. Never thought I would say this even like 3 months ago but I'm kinda psyched about Orton coming back as a babyface. I hope they do the natural program with Rollins. Rollins/Cena is already played out but I think they keep that going somehow. Barrett is eternally stuck in a directionless limbo even when he's healthy so I don't have high hopes for a good run or anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 On 12/27/2014 at 4:33 AM, Matt D said: He could have a Heathcliff the cat themed character. A wrestler named Jim Davis is gonna rip him off and become a zillionaire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Log Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 On 12/27/2014 at 6:19 AM, Johnny Sorrow said: On 12/27/2014 at 4:33 AM, Matt D said: He could have a Heathcliff the cat themed character. A wrestler named Jim Davis is gonna rip him off and become a zillionaire? I had operated on the assumption that Heathcliff was a shitty Garfield rip-off for years! I'm flabbergasted to find out that Heathcliff came first. It's insane the things I learn here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveJRogers Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 Yup. Heathcliff strip debuts in 1973, Garfield in 1978. To be fair, their characters and worlds are vastily different enough that all you got are that they are both orange tabby cats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 Wrestlemania is wide open right now. They could do Taker vs Sting or Taker vs Bray or Taker vs Brock or Taker in a tag match with Sting to protect him or he could not be on the show at all. Brock could defend against Reigns or Rollins could defend against Reigns or Rollins could defend against Cena or the Shield could have a three way or Rollins might be up against Orton. I sort of slot it all out in my head and then I think "Oops, forgot Cena." It's wide open but none of the possibilities seem all that great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakeplastictrees Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 I think a tag match would be best for Taker. I wish The Wyatts were still together because a Taker/Kane (not Corporate Kane) vs. The Wyatts in a two-on-three handicap match would be pretty awesome to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 The only place I've seen a tag match even mentioned is here. None of the news sites have said anything about it so I don't even think that they're considering it. I honestly think that the main event of the pay-per-view should probably be Brock and HHH vs Taker and Sting. As sad as it is, that's the biggest main event they can manage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 I think the main event should be Roman Reigns Vs. John Cena© with The Undertaker retiring, not having a match & being the top billed inductee into the Hall of Fame. The Streak is over, so his 'Mania run should be too. It's all he had left. That's my line-of-thinking anyway. At this point, everything feels like fantasy booking as we really won't have a good idea of where they're going until the Rumble is over. The Undertaker is cool. His matches were cool. His Streak was cool. Now he's old, broken down, his matches aren't real fun (for me) to watch anymore & the Streak is over. So what's the point? Buys will be the same regardless of if he's on the card or not, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 Apparently, the main reason they want Undertaker on the show is that he has another year on his contract of guaranteed money and they are going to have to pay him whether he works or not, so they are trying to get some return on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 I'm sure Vince is "convinced" Taker is working Mania this year just like he was "convinced" Shawn was going to come back and wrestle Bryan last year. I would agree a tag match would be the best solution but I doubt that happens. No chance really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 Putting Neville under a mask or giving him a literal 'Mighty Mouse' gimmick would be awful......but I think a Demitrious Johnson 'Mighty Mouse' gimmick would work. Portray him as this awesome power packed little wrestler who's always fighting from underneath but is so skilled P4P wise that he can hang in the land of the giants. I think that's a perfect way to use him actually, he'll get sympathy as an underdog babyface who's crisp great looking offense will win over crowds immediately. But then, this is WWE, I don't have faith in them to book him and protect him in the right ways, and he could very much end up like an Evan Bourne who got lost in the shuffle as soon as he was moved from ECW to RAW, or like any of the dozens of aimless midcarders who pinball between decent and downright horrible booking from week to week On one of the recent F4W shows Alvarez said the idea was more of a Crash Holly gimmick than a "let's put him in a Mouse costume!" idea......which sounds better, but not by a lot. Crash Holly was a comedy gimmick that worked in the Attitude era and worked in the hardcore division....that's not gonna work in 2015 WWE, and it's not the right way to use Neville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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