Strummer Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Bryan did tons of media last year. Wasn't it mostly print and radio? I don't remember him doing the big talk show circuit at all. Espn? Yes, but they weren't near ESPN studios in NOLA. He did appear in the NFLNetwork. To me it's a big difference being on Fallon, Kimmel and Conan than doing radio row or local press. Bryan got some press but clearly not at the level of the guys they see as huge stars. Again maybe it's because of the difference in the mania markets but ESPN could do remote interviews also. And as Meltz mentioned the company never promoted his appearances with the Giants or Seahawks after their championships Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Bryan did tons of media last year.Wasn't it mostly print and radio? I don't remember him doing the big talk show circuit at all. Espn? Yes, but they weren't near ESPN studios in NOLA. He did appear in the NFLNetwork. To me it's a big difference being on Fallon, Kimmel and Conan than doing radio row or local press. Bryan got some press but clearly not at the level of the guys they see as huge stars. Again maybe it's because of the difference in the mania markets but ESPN could do remote interviews also. And as Meltz mentioned the company never promoted his appearances with the Giants or Seahawks after their championships Agreed on WWE never promoting his mainstream exposure being a sign they don't see him as THE guy. But if it were as easy to get an ESPN interview they would've done it last year with other talent, they didn't. I don't see what happened at last year's Mania as a sign of their stance of Bryan at all. It's pretty clear this ESPN deal is because of the market they are in or because they reached some sort of agreement. They didn't get this attention for Summerslam in past years either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 I can't reconcile the ideas that a.) Vince loves and seeks and values mainstream attention above all else and b.) the same Vince deliberately didn't want the star of his biggest show of the calendar year getting that attention. It's just a matter of geography and opportunity, in conjunction with whatever this ESPN relationship is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 The reality is they decided to try to make a new star because they didn't know if Bryan was going to be able to come back at all. He did and they had nowhere to put him other than in this mush of a mid card match. The larger problem is that they don't protect the mid card worth a damn and there was no one ready to step up into a major role with Daniel. If they had someone ready to stand up, I doubt they would have so many problems right now. The reality is Daniel Bryan would have been squashed by Brock Lesnar at SummerSlam and Roman Reigns would have still been groomed for a top slot if he hadn't gotten hurt. The uncertainty about his future didn't help, but at the end of the day Vince doesn't see him as a big enough star to call an audible and change the card around. Even if the midcard was protected better, Bryan would still have been in the sixth most important match on the card. And the exact same thing will happen next year, even if Bryan stays completely healthy, because WWE views him at a tier below the stars of the past and doesn't have the long-term potential of the rising stars on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Announced on Smackdown that the battle royal will also take place on the pre show. Oh god they are going to give Sting/Hunter and Undertaker/Bray tons of time aren't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Feels like it. Scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 If the time goes to the entrances it should be good, otherwise....yikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Announced on Smackdown that the battle royal will also take place on the pre show. Oh god they are going to give Sting/Hunter and Undertaker/Bray tons of time aren't they? Or some sort of shenanigans with the possible Rollins cash in leading to a match. I'm watching RAW on Hulu, and Snoop marking out for Hogan fucking ruled. Edit: That Wyatt promo was fucking AWESOME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 I've said this on Twitter but there's a decent chance this will be Sting's longest high profile singles match in over two decades. Unless there's a match I'm forgetting, Sting hasn't had an 18 and a half minute singles match on pay-per-view since 1994. Even against bad or limited opponents (Nash, Steiner, etc), Hunter's matches tend to go that long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerpride Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Announced on Smackdown that the battle royal will also take place on the pre show. Oh god they are going to give Sting/Hunter and Undertaker/Bray tons of time aren't they? I bet Rollins v. Orton and Rusev v. Cena will get time. Plus, entrances for Sting, Rusev, and Taker will take time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Announced on Smackdown that the battle royal will also take place on the pre show. Oh god they are going to give Sting/Hunter and Undertaker/Bray tons of time aren't they? Either that or we are gonna get some loongs performances from the artists that will be there. Kid Rock all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 I've said this on Twitter but there's a decent chance this will be Sting's longest high profile singles match in over two decades. Unless there's a match I'm forgetting, Sting hasn't had an 18 and a half minute singles match on pay-per-view since 1994. Even against bad or limited opponents (Nash, Steiner, etc), Hunter's matches tend to go that long. not PPV but he had a match on the 4/26/99 Nitro with DDP that went 19:45 according to CRZ's old site. That's the last long match I can remember him being in unless I'm forgetting something obvious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Dave had mentioned they wanted to do a big angle to end the show, so perhaps with Brock signing they can actually do whatever that was now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 When was the last time they ran a huge angle at Mania? Seems like they usually save that stuff for the night after. I can't picture Rollins cashing in on PPV but I could totally see it the next night on Raw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlk23 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 I've said this on Twitter but there's a decent chance this will be Sting's longest high profile singles match in over two decades. Unless there's a match I'm forgetting, Sting hasn't had an 18 and a half minute singles match on pay-per-view since 1994. Even against bad or limited opponents (Nash, Steiner, etc), Hunter's matches tend to go that long. True, but he went 18 minutes with Angle at Bound for Glory 2007. 17 minutes the next year vs. Joe. I wouldn't expect the HHH match to be longer than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerpride Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 - According to PWInsider, Triple H’s Terminator: Genisys-themed entrance for his match at WrestleMania will go full-cyborg, so to speak. The site says that the entrance will receive the full Terminator treatment, including clips from the upcoming film, in order to play off of his friendship with WWE Hall of Fame inductee Arnold Schwarzenegger. Sorry Andre the Giant battle royal participants! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 I'm gonna laugh my ass off if Sting just casually walks down to the ring with a baseball bat and a crow on his shoulder while the guy who's supposed to be heel in the feud gets all that pomp and circumstance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 I think HHH's wacky entrances lend to fans hating his pretentiousness. On the special on Mania 30 he himself basically points out how douchey the Warrior God outfit was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 I think HHH's wacky entrances lend to fans hating his pretentiousness. On the special on Mania 30 he himself basically points out how douchey the Warrior God outfit was. No way, that was f'n awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 I laughed hysterically as soon as I saw him. I'm sure I will again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 The outfits themselves are pretty awesome in their pro-wrestlingness, the hilarious part is the complete disconnect between them and HHH's actual character and the way he works in the ring. Gotta love how the battle royal, which did nothing for Cesaro last year, has been thrown to the woodshed at the last moment this year after weeks of, hum, "build". Just get rid of it, nobody cares, battle royal suck most of the time and it helps no-one getting over anyway. The two matches I fear the most now considering the time they could get are Taker vs Bray (ZZZZzzzzzzz….), and HHH vs Sting (which could end up like that awful HHH vs Taker cage match TV-drama wankery). - According to PWInsider, Triple H’s Terminator: Genisys-themed entrance for his match at WrestleMania will go full-cyborg, so to speak. The site says that the entrance will receive the full Terminator treatment, including clips from the upcoming film, in order to play off of his friendship with WWE Hall of Fame inductee Arnold Schwarzenegger. How cool it is to be the son-in-law ? I mean, seriously… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Sting is supposedly going to come out surrounded by scarecrows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcmmnx Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 They must be saving the flying monkeys for Stephanie's entrance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parties Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 The idea that you don't have time for nine matches on a five hour show is ridiculous, even with two music performances (LL and Kid Ink) and Hunter's elaborate yellow brick road entrance in full Dorothy regalia. A realistic ideal that balances company/fan priorities would be something like: Tag 4-way (12 mins), Battle Royal (12 mins), Ladder match (25 mins), Divas tag (10 mins), Taker-Bray (20 mins), Cena-Rusev (25 mins), Orton-Rollins (25 mins), HHH-Sting (25 mins), and Brock-Reigns (30-35 mins). That's 3 hours and 10 mins. Add another 35 mins of entrances and celebratory posing to that. You're still coming in at 3:45, and that's with pretty generous considerations. That gives you an extra 75 mins (or more!) for a stupid backstage promo, a cameo-filled backstage segment, two songs that no one wants, needless video packages, Hall of Fame wave-fest, and a post-main event angle. Am I missing something? How are they always so crunched for time on what should be their best produced show of the year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 The idea that you don't have time for nine matches on a five hour show is ridiculous, even with two music performances (LL and Kid Ink) and Hunter's elaborate yellow brick road entrance in full Dorothy regalia. A realistic ideal that balances company/fan priorities would be something like: Tag 4-way (12 mins), Battle Royal (12 mins), Ladder match (25 mins), Divas tag (10 mins), Taker-Bray (20 mins), Cena-Rusev (25 mins), Orton-Rollins (25 mins), HHH-Sting (25 mins), and Brock-Reigns (30-35 mins). That's 3 hours and 10 mins. Add another 35 mins of entrances and celebratory posing to that. You're still coming in at 3:45, and that's with pretty generous considerations. That gives you an extra 75 mins (or more!) for a stupid backstage promo, a cameo-filled backstage segment, two songs that no one wants, needless video packages, Hall of Fame wave-fest, and a post-main event angle. Am I missing something? How are they always so crunched for time on what should be their best produced show of the year? Especially since they have had 3 hour ppvs with 9 matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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