SteveJRogers Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 It was probably just cheaper to keep it short. Plus it was new. And it was wrestling. American cinema go-ers had no problems sitting thru longer fare in the 70's and 80's. Yeah, but usually with intermission to get a bathroom or refreshment break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveJRogers Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 Mania I was basically a typical MSG card with celebrities added. That's how long MSG cards went. It's no more complex than that There was also a Ranger hockey game that night, so the event had to be squeezed into an afternoon time slot. That's probably the most unbelievable part of it all. Not only is the card briskly paced, but it wasn't the "main attraction" so to speak, or only event as the case has been for the most part, for the arena that day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveJRogers Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 When was the first boxing closed circuit event? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 When was the first boxing closed circuit event? I want to say it was the 1st Floyd Patterson vs. Ingemar Johansson fight in 1959. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveJRogers Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 When was the first boxing closed circuit event? I want to say it was the 1st Floyd Patterson vs. Ingemar Johansson fight in 1959. Wow, that long ago huh? I wonder if those events included the entire card, I mean you wouldn't have expected JUST Ali-Frazier going to MSG on 3/8/1971 so why would only their fight be shown on the closed circuit broadcast. Sure the bout went 15 rounds and over an hour, but what if it turned into Tyson-Spinks? Come to think of it, why the hell aren't entire boxing card rundowns as memorable as the main attraction? OE: UGH! Been trying to find some sort of reference site that could tell me what other boxing matches, if any, went on at The Garden on 3/8/1971 besides Ali-Frazier I...if only there was a Graham Cawthon for boxing cards! Seriously, I refuse to believe MSG or the promoters of that iconic bout would have put all their eggs in the "this is going the distance" basket and not have a full card of 2 or more matches for the world wide audiences to enjoy that night. I mean if it turned out to be a 2 minute first round knockout or TKO, that could have been as devastating to The Sweet Science as any number of reasons for the decline of boxing in the last 30 or so years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 http://boxrec.com/date_search.php?yyyy=1971&mm=03&dd=08 In terms of a boxing match bombing, it'd be hard to match Tyson/Holyfield II. Fans were PISSED after that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveJRogers Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 http://boxrec.com/date_search.php?yyyy=1971&mm=03&dd=08 In terms of a boxing match bombing, it'd be hard to match Tyson/Holyfield II. Fans were PISSED after that one. LOL! Of course. But the most hyped and most heavily promoted boxing match, probably of all-time even still to this day, ending in only a round or two, would have been a bit crippling. Maybe not to the sport itself (unless one of the two pulled a Tyson that night) and certainly both men had the gravitas to rebound from such a defeat (and Ali would have had the built in excuse of ring rust), but to the Garden as a Big Fight venue. OE: WOW! Never knew The Greatest had a brother who also boxed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveJRogers Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 D'OH! Meant to edit, not reply! Please delete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 http://boxrec.com/date_search.php?yyyy=1971&mm=03&dd=08 In terms of a boxing match bombing, it'd be hard to match Tyson/Holyfield II. Fans were PISSED after that one. LOL! Of course. But the most hyped and most heavily promoted boxing match, probably of all-time even still to this day, ending in only a round or two, would have been a bit crippling. Maybe not to the sport itself (unless one of the two pulled a Tyson that night) and certainly both men had the gravitas to rebound from such a defeat (and Ali would have had the built in excuse of ring rust), but to the Garden as a Big Fight venue. OE: WOW! Never knew The Greatest had a brother who also boxed. Look at Louis/Schmeling. Two minutes, 80,000 at Yankee Stadium and no one (of non-German heritage) felt cheated. Fans will accept a short contest given that it's a sport. They only get upset if they feel it's dishonest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strand Peanut Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 Mania I was basically a typical MSG card with celebrities added. That's how long MSG cards went. It's no more complex than that Thanks, I was actually wondering that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 I really hope this isn't true, but MetsFan4Ever stated that the WWE deep down feels that WCW Monday Nitro was FAR superior to RAW in 1997, and they don't want WCW to have too much attention. Thus, right now anyway, they're in no rush to upload more episodes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blehschmidt Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 I really hope this isn't true, but MetsFan4Ever stated that the WWE deep down feels that WCW Monday Nitro was FAR superior to RAW in 1997, and they don't want WCW to have too much attention. Thus, right now anyway, they're in no rush to upload more episodes. For fucks sake, WCW no longer exists...who cares if they get attention...they own fucking WCW!! If this is true, the issues run way deeper than I ever imagined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 I really hope this isn't true, but MetsFan4Ever stated that the WWE deep down feels that WCW Monday Nitro was FAR superior to RAW in 1997, and they don't want WCW to have too much attention. Thus, right now anyway, they're in no rush to upload more episodes. For fucks sake, WCW no longer exists...who cares if they get attention...they own fucking WCW!! If this is true, the issues run way deeper than I ever imagined. That guy is full of shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 I really hope this isn't true, but MetsFan4Ever stated that the WWE deep down feels that WCW Monday Nitro was FAR superior to RAW in 1997, and they don't want WCW to have too much attention. Thus, right now anyway, they're in no rush to upload more episodes. For fucks sake, WCW no longer exists...who cares if they get attention...they own fucking WCW!! If this is true, the issues run way deeper than I ever imagined. That guy is full of shit. Raw was really good in 1997 too, I wouldn't put any stock in that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 Was just thinking the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 Raw was a really weird mixed bag in 1997 where you had some really awesome stuff with Austin & The Hart Foundation, and the Undertaker/Paul Bearer stuff was good too but going back not that long ago and watching some of it, there was still a lot of of crap like New Blackjacks, Godwinns, The Sultan, Rockabilly, the super weak Light Heavyweight division they started, The Truth Commission, Gang Warz. I think Nitro was still definitely better overall in 1997. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dooley Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 When was the first boxing closed circuit event? I want to say it was the 1st Floyd Patterson vs. Ingemar Johansson fight in 1959. Wow, that long ago huh? I wonder if those events included the entire card, I mean you wouldn't have expected JUST Ali-Frazier going to MSG on 3/8/1971 so why would only their fight be shown on the closed circuit broadcast. Sure the bout went 15 rounds and over an hour, but what if it turned into Tyson-Spinks? Come to think of it, why the hell aren't entire boxing card rundowns as memorable as the main attraction? OE: UGH! Been trying to find some sort of reference site that could tell me what other boxing matches, if any, went on at The Garden on 3/8/1971 besides Ali-Frazier I...if only there was a Graham Cawthon for boxing cards! Seriously, I refuse to believe MSG or the promoters of that iconic bout would have put all their eggs in the "this is going the distance" basket and not have a full card of 2 or more matches for the world wide audiences to enjoy that night. I mean if it turned out to be a 2 minute first round knockout or TKO, that could have been as devastating to The Sweet Science as any number of reasons for the decline of boxing in the last 30 or so years. That's just silly. It's a fight. It can be over in one punch. People know that going in. It may not be as revered as it is today, but to suggest it would have been "devastating" or "crippling" shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveJRogers Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 When was the first boxing closed circuit event? I want to say it was the 1st Floyd Patterson vs. Ingemar Johansson fight in 1959. Wow, that long ago huh? I wonder if those events included the entire card, I mean you wouldn't have expected JUST Ali-Frazier going to MSG on 3/8/1971 so why would only their fight be shown on the closed circuit broadcast. Sure the bout went 15 rounds and over an hour, but what if it turned into Tyson-Spinks? Come to think of it, why the hell aren't entire boxing card rundowns as memorable as the main attraction? OE: UGH! Been trying to find some sort of reference site that could tell me what other boxing matches, if any, went on at The Garden on 3/8/1971 besides Ali-Frazier I...if only there was a Graham Cawthon for boxing cards! Seriously, I refuse to believe MSG or the promoters of that iconic bout would have put all their eggs in the "this is going the distance" basket and not have a full card of 2 or more matches for the world wide audiences to enjoy that night. I mean if it turned out to be a 2 minute first round knockout or TKO, that could have been as devastating to The Sweet Science as any number of reasons for the decline of boxing in the last 30 or so years. That's just silly. It's a fight. It can be over in one punch. People know that going in. It may not be as revered as it is today, but to suggest it would have been "devastating" or "crippling" shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the sport. Fair enough, I was thinking more about how it was so heavily promoted, and got tons of mainstream publicity, that it could have been considered as laughable as, say that Evil Kinevil stunt that became an epic fail if say Frazier ended it with a first round KO. I'll admit that I'm overstating it, especially in light of events that ended quickly years before, and since, but I'm probably factoring the whole era that the fight was in, and what kind of mainstream event it was. To say nothing about rumors and whispers would swirl about the loser "taking a dive." I also went overboard based on the wrong assumption that it was the ONLY match on the docket that night at MSG. Which seems like how legit fighting sports histories tend to be recorded as. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidebottom Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Watching Wrestlemania 18 which I haven't seen in full since it aired. Regal comes out for the opening match and the IC title appears to be upside down on his waste. I don't know why, but upside down belts are to me the funniest goof up a wrestler can make... Well, wrestlers and Diana Hart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 I feel better about things now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jushin muta liger Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Watching Wrestlemania 18 which I haven't seen in full since it aired. Regal comes out for the opening match and the IC title appears to be upside down on his waste. I don't know why, but upside down belts are to me the funniest goof up a wrestler can make... Well, wrestlers and Diana Hart. Regal talked to Todd Phillips on the App last night about that. He said he was so nervous that night that he forgot the belt was upside down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Belts don't exist. These are *championships*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCampbell Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 When the Iron Sheik beat Bob Backlund, he put the belt on upside down too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 In his defense. it would be pretty easy to not notice the big green belt was upside down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidebottom Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 The earlier HOF's seem to be down? Bit odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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