Dylan Waco Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 In 1994 Chris Benoit had matches with Jerry Lawler and Terry Funk in Dennis Coraluzzo's New Jersey promotion, were they taped? Get Will's Funk Set Quote
Eduardo Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 In 1994 Chris Benoit had matches with Jerry Lawler and Terry Funk in Dennis Coraluzzo's New Jersey promotion, were they taped? A handheld of Lawler-Benoit was posted in DVDVR (I think it might have been Bix who uploaded it). It was a good Lawler performance. Negro Casas vs Fuerza Guerrera (EMLL - September 1980). It's a match that Casas has talked about in interviews before and about how it's supposely supposed to be one of the greatest matches ever. Perro Aguayo vs Marty Jones (Hair vs Hair Match). This looks like it was fucking awesome. Quote
Phil Schneider Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 Here is my review of the Benoit v. Lawler match http://segundacaida.blogspot.com/2011/06/y...good-clean.html Quote
Ricky Jackson Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 I would love to see some footage of the main matches and angles from 60's/early-70s LA and San Fran. Meltzer's bio's of Tolos and Shire made it sound like a really interesting era. Seems like that's just a dream though. I'm also guessing nothing exists of the 1980 Superdome show featuring JYD vs Hayes in a Dog Collar Match coming off the big blinding angle (or even footage of the angle itself). More footage of the heyday's of Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver wrestling would be cool as well. Quote
NintendoLogic Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 How much footage is there of that 12-woman AJW tag from 1987 that Dave gave ***** to? Quote
Tim Evans Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 I wish there was more footage of Mid South Coliseum matches from the 90's. Especially matches like Lawler vs Mr. Perfect or Undertaker vs Spellbinder in 1994. Also apparently Jerry Lawler faced Doug Furnas in 1988 somewhere around Knoxville. I bet that was a good match with Lawler being heel. Quote
JerryvonKramer Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 Basically the entire cards of the non-televised King of the Ring tournaments. There are some tasty-looking matches on those, including DiBiase vs. Steamboat 15-minute draw. That exists as a handheld. The whole show, or just that match? Quote
GSR Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 Basically the entire cards of the non-televised King of the Ring tournaments. There are some tasty-looking matches on those, including DiBiase vs. Steamboat 15-minute draw. That exists as a handheld. The whole show, or just that match? Haven't watched it in years, but pretty sure it's the whole card. It is the only one of the pre-PPV King of the Rings that is in circulation as a handheld. Quote
JerryvonKramer Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 Amazing, it's just on Youtube. Better watch it before the Feds arrive. Ok, the 87 and 88 tourneys where Savage and then DiBiase won, are my picks for this then. Quote
TravJ1979 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 How much footage is there of that 12-woman AJW tag from 1987 that Dave gave ***** to? Lioness Asuka/Mika Komatsu/Kazue Nagahori/Mitsuko Nishiwaki/Etsuko Mita/Sachiko Nakamura vs. Chigusa Nagayo/Yumiko Hotta/Mika Takahashi/Mika Suzuki/Yachiyo Hirata/Yumi Ogura (About 17:30 of 50:00 Shown - All Japan Women 12/6/87)*****- Dave's quote "The main event was by far the greatest match I've ever seen live. In fact, I'd say without question it was better than any match ever held in the United States in the history of this business." About 17:30 of 50 minutes is shown, the VQ is what I would call FAIR-GOOD, but this is the only version that exists. Quote
El-P Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 Isn't it a bit ironic and depressing to think that today the lamest indy show with a bunch of bakyarder ends up on youtube or homemade DVD, and footage of all this great stuff doesn't exist ? When I was a history student, I was thinking about how nightmarish the future will be for historians of contemporary history, with the über multiplication of sources. Everything is documented now, including 99% of useless stuff. This is the same thing for wrestling. You'll have every bit of WWE NXT matches on HD, yet we won't be able to see that many Calgary Stampede matches in full, ever. Frustration. Quote
Tim Cooke Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 John - are these old results for 1960's/1970's AJPW online or do you have them compiled through different sources? Quote
MikeCampbell Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 The Ken Patera/Pedro Morales WWF IC Title change from MSG in December '80. Rougeau Brothers vs. Hart Foundation from Montreal in '87, the Rougeaus win the WWF Tag Titles before decision is reversed. The league match between Misawa and Taue from the '96 Carny. Quote
jdw Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 John - are these old results for 1960's/1970's AJPW online or do you have them compiled through different sources? Some from a titles spreadsheet, which is an older version here at work with more holes. Some of it from Hisa's puroresu.com, which has old results as he gets them. JWA is pretty solid... AJPW in the 70s less so. Some good IWE stuff early on. John Quote
Marty Posted February 21, 2012 Report Posted February 21, 2012 Isn't it a bit ironic and depressing to think that today the lamest indy show with a bunch of bakyarder ends up on youtube or homemade DVD, and footage of all this great stuff doesn't exist ? When I was a history student, I was thinking about how nightmarish the future will be for historians of contemporary history, with the über multiplication of sources. Everything is documented now, including 99% of useless stuff. This is the same thing for wrestling. You'll have every bit of WWE NXT matches on HD, yet we won't be able to see that many Calgary Stampede matches in full, ever. Frustration. Late to the party, but a lot of that has to do with what videotape cost back in the day. This was a problem that wasn't exclusive to wrestling, either, as networks would re-use tape for broadcasting, especially when it had stuff on that they didn't think people would re-watch. Best example of this is the first Super Bowl, as no full footage of the game exists (it got taped over by soap operas). It's very different today, as it's a lot more affordable for both companies and individuals to document just about anything. Stampede was mentioned by you and others and it wasn't just Stampede that felt that wrath here in Canada, as there have been some hockey games (famous ones in fact) from over the years that were never kept or had to be reattained in other ways/means. Quote
khawk20 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Posted February 21, 2012 Late to the party, but a lot of that has to do with what videotape cost back in the day. This was a problem that wasn't exclusive to wrestling, either, as networks would re-use tape for broadcasting, especially when it had stuff on that they didn't think people would re-watch. Best example of this is the first Super Bowl, as no full footage of the game exists (it got taped over by soap operas). It's very different today, as it's a lot more affordable for both companies and individuals to document just about anything. Stampede was mentioned by you and others and it wasn't just Stampede that felt that wrath here in Canada, as there have been some hockey games (famous ones in fact) from over the years that were never kept or had to be reattained in other ways/means. This is why it always surprises me that Verne Gagne saved tape from as far back as he did (at least 1966, hopefully earlier). Must've cost him a fortune not re-using tape...unless the format he was using couldn't be used twice. Even then, the foresight to try and save the footage is unusual in wrestling from that time frame, I think, at least in North America. Now I have heard that his storage methods were sub-standard and a lot of what he had is no longer usable, which sucks. But again, at least he tried to hold onto it. Quote
Loss Posted February 21, 2012 Report Posted February 21, 2012 Keeping footage and hating Hogan ... Verne Gagne was wrestling's first smark. Quote
Jingus Posted February 21, 2012 Report Posted February 21, 2012 Late to the party, but a lot of that has to do with what videotape cost back in the day. This was a problem that wasn't exclusive to wrestling, either, as networks would re-use tape for broadcasting, especially when it had stuff on that they didn't think people would re-watch.Yeah. A lot of the early episodes of Doctor Who have been lost for the same reason, the BBC just recorded other shit over them. This is why it always surprises me that Verne Gagne saved tape from as far back as he did (at least 1966, hopefully earlier). Must've cost him a fortune not re-using tape...Verne being in that nursing home room which was cheap enough that he had a roommate suddenly makes more sense. Quote
jdw Posted February 21, 2012 Report Posted February 21, 2012 Late to the party, but a lot of that has to do with what videotape cost back in the day. This was a problem that wasn't exclusive to wrestling, either, as networks would re-use tape for broadcasting, especially when it had stuff on that they didn't think people would re-watch.Yeah. A lot of the early episodes of Doctor Who have been lost for the same reason, the BBC just recorded other shit over them. Dr Who and a lot of other BBC shows. Wiki's article is pretty solid on how tape was treated in those days: Doctor Who missing episodes Which as pretty similar to how a lot of lower level stuff in the US (such as wrestling) was treated. John Quote
Al Posted February 22, 2012 Report Posted February 22, 2012 On the last Monty Python documentary, one of the Pythons (I think Terry Jones) told the story about buying the master tapes from the BBC to prevent them from being wiped as well. Gotch/Hackenschmidt. Was that ever taped? If it was, was it the victim of nitrate deterioration? Quote
Loss Posted February 22, 2012 Report Posted February 22, 2012 The black and white match at the beginning of the WWE opening is from 1901, and is Roeber (not sure first name) vs August Faust. Before that clip rolled out, I think Stetcher/Caddock from 1/30/20 was the oldest match believed to exist on tape. Pretty interesting. Not sure about Gotch/Hackenschmidt. I don't think it exists. It may have been filmed, though. Quote
jdw Posted February 23, 2012 Report Posted February 23, 2012 The second Hack-Gotch was filmed as it was talked about in terms of the cut each got from the match. Don't know about the first one. John Quote
Johnny Sorrow Posted February 23, 2012 Report Posted February 23, 2012 ] Verne being in that nursing home room which was cheap enough that he had a roommate suddenly makes more sense. Actually, even in he most expensive of nursing homes most of the rooms are two person. Quote
rzombie1988 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Posted February 23, 2012 Gotch/Hack was filmed. There were ads for it in the 50's in a magazine I read, but it hasn't been found yet. Quote
Tim Evans Posted February 24, 2012 Report Posted February 24, 2012 I'm reading Bobby Heenan's first book. He mentions a angle where Nick Bockwinkel put the Figure 4 on Gordon Solie in Atlanta. It got Solie fired for a couple weeks from Florida when Eddie Graham found out. I would love to see that. Quote
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